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oosman
USA
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 Topic initiated on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 1:09 PM 
Something about Taliban rule
Question from Jaan, Iowa, USA, to Haji Abdullah, 1255 local time (0825 GMT)
Q: I am an American female convert to Islam. After conversion I married a man from Pakistan. He and other people from Pakistan insist to me that the Taleban did not close girls' schools and the Taleban did not stop women from working. They say it is only Western media that say such things. What would you say to them?
A: It's a fact that women were banned from getting education under the Taleban. Their schools were closed, women could not go to offices. Only women who were doctors were allowed to work. Only little girls could be educated in Islamic subjects in mosques.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4237756.stm
Edited by: oosman on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:11 PM
Edited by: oosman on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:30 PM |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 10:44 AM 
Quote: -Brother we need to take our head out of the sand and see what is happening in our name, in the name of our religion. Taliban people did many good things, but they also had a negative side. And it is not the western media; it is our own media that can tell you horrific stories of oppression, mass killings, etc. Go through Urdu newspapers, talk to the people who lived under the fundamentalist regime.
Answer: -Brother oosman what you said, to an extend it true. There are always black sheeps amongst Muslim every where so there were few amongst Taliban as well. But as a hole when we look of the history of Taliban they have done a good job there. Don’t forget that they only last for six years and they managed to have peace at about 80% of Afganistan.War was still going on there. As far as the women issues are concerned, they were aware of it and they were waiting for right time to look into it. Brother I am in neighbor of Afghanistan and I have the first hand information about them, I don’t have to look even much at local media for this.
Quote: Ask yourself, Allah gave them kingdom of the land because they were good, they got rid of the infidels, then why did Allah take away the kingdom from them? Did they do something wrong afterwards?
47.38 Behold, ye are those invited to spend (of your substance) in the Way of Allah: But among you are some that are niggardly. But any who are niggardly are so at the expense of their own souls. But Allah is free of all wants, and it is ye that are needy. If ye turn back (from the Path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you!
Are we being substituted by another people who are better than us? Have we turned our back from the way of Allah?
Answer:-If Allah has to apply this theory to the all of Islamic world, there may be very few Islamic counties will remain in the map of the world. May be the Allah still giving them more times, as far the Taliban are concerned, their goal was not to acquire the land there the land already belong to them. They were still in the war with infidels. After the 9/11 they ask for the proof from US, which never had given to them. They had already decided that if proof will given to them they will ask Osama and company to leave from Afghanistan because they were not in any obligation with US to hand over to them. They were aware that US going to attack on them if they did not handed over Osama to them. They sacrifice their role for one person. They came there to establish the rule of Allah and they scarified it for Allah only. They might save it if they do what US want them to do. For them principle were more important rather than the rule in Afganistan.You will not find this kind example these days. For them God is Allah not US.
Quote: -Brother, do you still believe that Muslims did not blow up the buildings on 9-11, and Muslims did not blow up people in London? Do you believe in conspiracy theories even when Muslims have taken responsibility for these actions? You see not what is happening in the name of our religion?
Answer: -Where ever terrorism carried out by some Muslims in the Name of religion I condemn it. Killing innocent people whatever religion they have is really so sad for me and for every sensible person. Unawareness from religion is the major cause of it. One thing we must realized here that, these people motivated by some individuals and they carried out such a nasty thing which every sensible Muslim also condemns. But what about the tourism carried by US, Britain and other along with them killing may be 10 times more innocents, women, children and other and this is continuous now as well, should be condemn more.
Quote: -The fundamentalists have a twisted wicked logic - if you die in their way, either you were kafir and will go to hell, or you are a martyr if you were innocent. They say the innocent people they kill are all martyrs, so they keep killing innocent children, women and anyone in their way.
Answer:-Fundamentalist is not the appropriate word for this type of people. Fundamentalist are those who follow the fundamental of any religion and there is nothing wrong with this. I heard Dr.Zakir Naik saying that he is also a fundamentalist. These people are terrorists.
Quote:-Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 146:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until (religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious learned men), earthquakes will be very frequent, time will pass quickly, afflictions will appear, murders will increase and money will overflow amongst you."
YOu see the knowledge is being taken away, the ones in charge are ignorant mullah fundamentalists who know only to oppress women, to twist the religion to justify their mantra, some even molest young boys who are sent to become huffaz (read Pakistani newspapers for these stories).
Answer: - You can not blame for few black sheeps for all mullahs. The person who led the five time prayers is also called mullah. If any of ours love one dies, these mullah are the one who lead the Namazay Janaza then we go and look for them. Recently I heard the same stories about the priests of the churches; so it not means that all priest are doing same things. Priest is a respectable person for the Christian so do Mullahs are for Muslim.If you have any bad memories, so it not means that all mullahs are the same.
Some Muslim these days not let any chance to go without bad criticism on others Muslims brothers. They blinded to see what are good things on others Muslim brothers. This is the time which calling for unity amongst Muslims all over the world. For the Allah’s sack don’t promote haterate amongst Muslims atleast, if you can not promote unity. Don’t knows whose interest these people are promoting by doing so blindly? When any one will see the link above he will know it.
Allah Hafiz. |
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aslam
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 1:51 PM
Salams,
Talibans were sincere folk.They rendered great sacrifices for Islam(whatever they undersrtood of Islam)and due to their sincerity and piety religious people of Afghanistan helped them are still helping them.But their understanding of Islam was flawed and parochial.Very few of them knew about the world around them.Their understanding of Islam was fiqh-based.
Almost all of them are deobandis and do not hold other schools of islamic thought in good books. |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 2:07 PM
Bismillah, salaam alaikum,
Fundamentalism is a very confusing term and it has many meanings. For my discussion, I understand fundamentalism as strickly believing that yours is the right belief and every one else is wrong, then trying to impose your beliefs on to others wether they agree with you or not.
Followers of fundamentalists believe that person to be infallible, or the voice of God, and who can direct them infallibly in the interpretation of the sources of truth. They do not question their fundamentalist leader. Fundamentalists are also selective in what they believe and practice. Remmember what Allah (swt) says about them:
02.085 After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.
You said>>> But what about the tourism carried by US, Britain and other along with them killing may be 10 times more innocents, women, children and other and this is continuous now as well, should be condemn more
I am a Muslim, and I am concerned with the actions of our ummah. What the non Muslims are doing, Allah will judge them, and I have no responsibility or control over non-Muslims. But we Muslims are responsible for what our leaders and brothers who do evil in our name. And we should critice these people, we should not choose such leaders!
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quote:
Asad Khyl was a victim of the Taleban's infamous "scorched earth" policy and part of the fiercely fought battles between the advancing Taleban and the Northern Alliance in the late 1990s.
Asad Khyl boy with a bunch of grapes
Grapes would have formed a natural part of the local economy had war not intervened
The entire village fled northwards to Panjshir valley or to the fetid Kabul slums when the Taleban razed their homes, mined their irrigation systems and uprooted their vineyards and fruit orchards.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4244454.stm
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Is it allowed to raze your enemies villages, to destroy irrigation systems, fruit orchards? What did Abu-Bakr say?
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone"
People who choose what they want to follow from the religion and discard rest of it, they are not the right people for us, no matter how nice they appear in some good they have done. And the results are clear, you see how they lost what Allah had given them in kingdom of land.
2.85 ... Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life? ... |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 6:21 PM
salaam alaikum,
Most of us believe Taliban did good and were sincere. It may be true in the beginning, but what happened towards the end? Read these comments from news stories, if you are not convinced, then you can do your own research on what Taliban did to the Panjshir valley.
We blame the West for bombing our people and cities. Well, they would not do that if we don't support people who misrepresent Islam, if we prevent corrupt politicians from ruling us, if we strive for ourselves. Since we are lazy and do not bother to check our leaders and do not tolerate people who criticise, we end up with bad leaders. Then, as Allah (swt) says He will replace a nation with a better one, so our nations are wiped out by invaders. It keeps happening, happened in Bosnia and we did nothing, happened in Chechnya and the Islamic jihadists start terrorism there, happened in Afghanistan and we still support the mullahs, and now in Iraq, and we are as confused as ever. May Allah guide us!
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http://hrw.org/english/docs/2001/12/03/afghan3396.htm
Mullah Fazil had overall operational command, and specific sectoral responsibilities, during a Taliban offensive that led to the recapture of Khwagaghar town in Takhar province and surrounding areas in January 2001. Over thirty civilians were detained and summarily executed during this operation, while at least forty-five others were detained and transferred to a jail in Kunduz. Numerous witnesses have also testified that Fazil visited Yakaolang district, as commander-in-chief, during a January 2001 massacre of over 170 ethnic Hazara civilians. The Yakaolang victims had been detained by Taliban forces and then executed by firing squad in public view.
Mullah Dadaullah commanded Taliban forces that carried out a scorched earth policy in Yakaolang district, in the mainly Shi'a Muslim Hazarajat region, in June 2001. After briefly recapturing Yakaolang, Dadaullah's forces burned down over 4,000 homes, shops, and public buildings in the district. His forces continued their scorched earth policy as they retreated east, destroying entire towns and villages in the western part of Bamiyan province. Most of the civilian population in western Bamiyan fled the Taliban advance, but those who remained behind, as well as some who had encamped in the hills, were summarily executed. The Taliban's official Bakhtar Information Agency confirmed Dadaullah's responsibility for the military operations in the area. Dadaullah is also reportedly responsible for the massacre of Shi'a Muslims in Syedabad, in Mazar-I Sharif, in 1998.
Mawlawi Nurullah Nuri, the former governor of Balkh province - in which the city of Mazar-i Sharif is located - was military commander of the northern zone under the Taliban. He could be implicated in the reported summary executions of ethnic Uzbek civilians in Balkh in May 2001, and in a massacre of civilian prisoners that took place at Robatak Pass, on the border of Samangan and Baghlan provinces, in May 2000.
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http://www.afgha.com/?af=archive&op=viewarticle&artid=5623
...During its two-week occupation of Khawaja Ghar, a town of 25,000, the Taliban scorched homes, looted businesses and destroyed remaining food stocks.
"We were surprised," said one man whose mechanic's shop was destroyed. "Last year when they overran the town, they didn't burn everything."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,596413,00.html
The vines were dead, like most of the vines in the southern Shomali, killed by the Taliban when they cut off their irrigation. Beyond the dead vines were layers of devastation stretching to the foot of the mountains which ring the Shomali plain: rank on rank of broken walls, tens of thousands of houses, deliberately destroyed by the Taliban.
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"First they burned our house, then they shot at it with cannon," Mr Karim said. "Then they used a bulldozer to raze it to the ground. Then they blew up the wells."
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"Everything you see here was done by the Taliban. They even took women prisoner and took them away," said Moel, a villager who returned the day the Taliban left. "They burned all our homes."
Most of the villagers are still in refugee camps in Anabe in the Panjshir valley, living under canvas on a bare slope of dust and scree. Only last month a baby died of malnutrition in an Anabe camp because the family shared a food package given by an aid agency for the child alone. |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 8:02 AM
Quote: -Most of us believes Taliban did good and were sincere. It may be true in the beginning, but what happened towards the end? Read these comments from news stories, if you are not convinced, then you can do your own research on what Taliban did to the Panjshir valley.
Answer: Brother all knows what they did good and bad. I will again say that as hole they did good job there.Do you know at the time of Khalifa Ali, 100 thousands Muslims died in only few days while fighting with each other, but no one blame to Khilifa Ali for that. Brother I will again request to you please don’t promote haterate for Muslims. Its already four years passed, how many killed at taliban times, many more killed in these four years by these invaders and its going on. I think you will very happy now.The peace is limited to only few cities and in Araq is the worst,invading forces have made green zoons for the them and local forces and and freedom fighter killing each others.Is this replacement both in Afganistan and in Araq you are calling good?
Quote: -We blames the West for bombing our people and cities. Well, they would not do that if we don't support people, who misrepresent Islam, if we prevent corrupt politicians from ruling us, if we strive for ourselves. Since we are lazy and do not bother to check our leaders and do not tolerate people who criticize, we end up with bad leaders. Then, as Allah (swt) says He will replace a nation with a better one, so our nations are wiped out by invaders. It keeps happening, happened in Bosnia and we did nothing, happened in Chechnya and the Islamic jihadists start terrorism there, happened in Afghanistan and we still support the mullahs, and now in Iraq, and we are as confused as ever. May Allah guide us!
Answer: You said earlier that you have no control over your Govt.then how can you blame to others for this? Neither Islamic Govt. nor any common Muslims are supporting them. These people are reaction of occupation of Israel in Palestine where US had played a leading role in the occupation, India in Kashmir, Russia in Chechnya and what happening with them there by these occupied forces no need to tell. They are struggling for the freedom. Why these people not blast the plane on Toronto? Why on New York? But I still condemn their action. Killing innocent people is never allowed in Islam.Brother we are living in Nations where we are not facing such problems. We have time to discuss about music and so on. Have you ever seen any one ever came on these forums from these places? Hopelessness and Powerlessness and Unresolved Political Disputes leading them to become terrorists.
These are route causes which leading people to become tererist. I am very surprised that you are having very wrong picture in your mind. |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 9:22 PM
| Are you trying to justify what the fundamentalists are doing in the name of our religion? Or are you trying to cover it up and ignore it? Don't you realize it is our responisibility to keep a check on what other Muslims are doing? Do you think it is bad to criticize? How will be learn our mistakes if we do not criticize each other? |
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Asim2
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Monday, September 19, 2005 - 3:59 PM
Define fundamentalism ?
Define terrorism ?
Nowadays none is being called a terrorist unless he is a Muslim. And we Muslims are just criticizing those Muslims and nobody is raising the needed voice against the terrorism being done against the Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Paklastine, Kashmir etc... Well looks like the Muslims don't have time from being apologetic. Plenty of people are criticizing and putting accusations without evidence against the Muslims. Some cases are true. Some people have done very bad deeds but they are very few and so much highlighted and emphasized by the western media and some of our Muslim fellows that one thinks all the taliban, or all the Muslims are like this. Did any one start a thread on the terrorism by American soldiers when they bombarded innocent civilians including little children , women and old and helpless people. Did any one ever ask why was Iraq attacked, why is Iran being pressurized, why Kashmir dispute isn't being solved and the sufferings of the poor Kashmiris, Palesteninians, Iraqis, etc.. continue. Aren't we Muslims like "a body the other part of which feels the pain when some other part is hurt" anymore.
Edited by: asim2 on Monday, September 19, 2005 4:02 PM |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Monday, September 19, 2005 - 7:28 PM
Define fundamentalism ?
I understand fundamentalism as strickly believing that yours is the right belief and every one else is wrong, then trying to impose your beliefs on to others wether they agree with you or not.
Followers of fundamentalists believe that person to be infallible, or the voice of God, and who can direct them infallibly in the interpretation of the sources of truth. They do not question their fundamentalist leader. Fundamentalists are also selective in what they believe and practice.
Define terrorism ?
This one is very obvious. When flesh and blood of bus passengers or mosque worshippers is splattered all over your face because a bomb or person blew up in the midst of people, regardless of their being women, children, worshippers, old people, civilians, by-standers. According to the fundamentalists, these are martyrs and better off because they are going to Paradise. This is a sick logic, and may these killers burn in hell.
>> Nowadays none is being called a terrorist unless he is a Muslim.
It is no surprise why this is so. Most of the terrorism in the world is done by Muslims. You can bury your head in the sand, but the reality will not change unless you take your head out and see what is happening in our name.
>>> nobody is raising the needed voice against the terrorism being done against the Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Paklastine, Kashmir etc.
Doing terrorism and resorting to fundamentalism is not correct way to raise our voices against oppression. What did the prophet do when his people were oppressed and persecuted in Makkah? That is a fine example of what we should be doing now. Did he resort to terrorism, did he go to alcohol shops and kill people, did he go to kaba and kill idol worshippers, did he ask his followers to be disobedient to their masters and family and to revolt? No. They patiently persevered and finally migrated to a safe place.
>>> Well looks like the Muslims don't have time from being apologetic
No one is asking you to be apologetic. Just say what is the truth and support those who are on the path to truth. The fundamentalists with their twisted logic are certainly on the wrong path, may Allah guide them. Do not support such fanatics, history has shown they have a disgraceful end. They do not win. Allah does not support the jahileen.
>> Did any one start a thread on the terrorism by American soldiers
Again I say, let Allah judge their wrong acts. We should concentrate on finding our faults and correcting each other. We have to stop hiding our heads in the sand. Once we are strong and on the right path, we will get Allah's help inshallah, and then no super power can bomb our people. But we are weak now, and we keep going on the wrong path or terrorism and fundamentalism and corruption and ignorance, the path away from Islam. Most of us do not even know what our religion says. We should learn our religion and adapt it properly in our lives. We should shun fundamentalism, we should be tolerant like our religion asks us to be and we should seek Allah's guidance.
Is it not a sign of coming of Judgement Day that religious knowledge will be taken away? Today we see so called sheikhs and maulvis who are ignorant of deen, fundamentalists and terrorists. If these ignorant people are our leaders, then we are doomed.
Edited by: oosman on Monday, September 19, 2005 7:28 PM |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 8:17 AM
Quote: -Are you trying to justify what the fundamentalists are doing in the name of our religion?
>>>I have only tried to establish the reasons which leading peoples to give their life and take others life. If all the political disputes are resolved tomorrow, where Muslims are on receiving ends then you will not see suicide attacks carried out by Muslims.
Quote:-Or are you trying to cover it up and ignore it?
>>>This western Media have influence you so much so you can think more than this.
Quote: - Don't you realize it is our responsibility to keep a check on what other Muslims are doing?
>>>Yes it is there are few Muslims clerics who have misunderstood Islam and propagating their own understanding to others fellow muslims. They always talk bad about the west and always criticizes their own Govts.for establishing good relationship with west believe that by having good relations with the west, our leaders can play an effective role in resolving the long awaited political disputes like Palestine, Kashmir and others.
Quote: -Do you think it is bad to criticize? How will be learning our mistakes if we do not criticize each other?
>>>Criticism must be realistic and productive, the way you criticizing without knowing real causes of terrorism (as far as the terrorism carried out by Muslims only) it will not serve any purpose. Further more your wrong concept about fundamentalists. Fundamentalists can be a person who even never slap to any one and also regards the others views about the Islam.They are the people who try to copy the Prophet (pbuh) and Sahaba’s life in their own lifes and tries to follow the others Islamic rules strictly.
This term is mostly being used by the west because they are afraid Muslims of these not become the true Muslim (fundamentalists). They are trying very hard to promote their culture to the Muslim world. In the name of moderation they are taking away the real essence of deen from us.
In Taliban they smell this and this was actual purpose they attack on them. From Cilton’s times they were trying to do so. The proof is that every one knows that Taliban were not involved in 9/11. |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 11:48 AM
You said: >>> Fundamentalists can be a person who even never slap to any one and also regards the others views about the Islam.They are the people who try to copy the Prophet (pbuh) and Sahaba’s life in their own lifes and tries to follow the others Islamic rules strictly
This is not the definition of fundamentalism! I already gave you the definition. Please refer to it.
I have not been brain washed by any western media. You can watch the same stories on Al-Jazeera, Al-Arabiya or other eastern media. Why are you trying to deny what is happening in the world? Not only there is clear proof that fundamentalist clerics have hijacked Islam and are using Islam to justify their terrorism and random killing of anyone in their way, but also these same clerics have many times given statements where they accept responisbility for these attacks, including 9/11 attack in NY, July 7 attack in London, Beslan school attack in Russia, passenger bus bombings in Israel. How much more proof you need then the word of another Muslim who claims responsibility for these acts of terrorism?
Answer this, do you think Robin-hood philosophy of stealing from the rich to give to the oppressed is ok in Islam? Because that is exactly what these fundamentalist clerics believe in - to retaliate with random killings on the weak and defenceless civilians of other countries. Why don't they attack the enemy's military, why do they go for the defenceless people? Does Islam justify this?
Do you not realize we can never be successful if our tactics are unjust. Just because they kill our civilians, we cannot be justified in doing the same thing to their civilians. Ends do not justify means, both ends and means should be justified and in accordance with Allah's laws. Those clerics and fundamentalists who twist and distort Allah's laws, may Allah curse them. Please stop supporting these people! |
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Abinzain
SAUDI ARABIA
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Posted - Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 1:05 AM
Quote of oosman,
For my discussion, I understand fundamentalism as strickly believing that yours is the right belief and every one else is wrong, then trying to impose your beliefs on to others wether they agree with you or not.
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Response: What a wrong concept of fundamentalism is given by the contractor of Islam!
Like you quoted or explained, how you could guarantee that you were not a big fundamentalist or adhering to your own talk or trying to impose your beliefs on to others whether they agree with you or not?
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Quote of oosman,
Again I say, let Allah judge their wrong acts. We should concentrate on finding our faults and correcting each other.
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Response: If you say like that, what are responsibilities of Muslims if other Muslims are being oppressed? Do you want to leave them alone? Suppose two persons are oppressing you badly then other persons around you should watch your misery or help you? What would you feel if nobody comes near to help you?
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Quote of aslam,
But their understanding of Islam was flawed and parochial.
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Who are they whose understanding is not flawed? Has the group of yours more grips on the understanding. How many are the Muslims who don’t say the western Muslims more fundamentalists, (according to the wrong definitions as above), extremists…etc?
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WHAT IS THE SYNONYMOUS OF MULLAH?
People not knowing the meaning of Mullah also can’t know that of the fundamentalists.
Mullah is derived from Maoula (God). So what is the name used for anti-Mullahs?
As indicated by a brother, Mullah is used for Muslims only and as a law of nature, black sheep are present everywhere. If some doctors are like butchers, can we call all the doctors the same or the doctors have a respect in the society? Are you understanding the mistake of yours by saying Mullah, Mullah, Mullah………If you have some bad experience, don’t say like that about all of them as many of them may be many times better than you.
Don’t the anti-Mullahs force has the black sheep among them and what do they (black sheep) do? Please enlighten this aspect also for the kind information of the readers. |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 7:20 PM
Abinzain said>>> What a wrong concept of fundamentalism
Abinzain said>>> Like you quoted or explained, how you could guarantee that you were not a big fundamentalist
I am not the one who declares ALL music haram and says that it is what Allah and rasool said. You impose your own beliefs on others by falsely saying what Allah did not say at all. You put your own words into Shariah. It seems you want everyone Muslim to stop listening to music, even if that music is glorification of Allah and it is good music. It seems you want to impose your false belief on others. So who is the fundamentalist here? You are the one who is forcing others to follow your belief by declaring it word of God, even though it is just word of your mouth!
Abinzain said>>> If you say like that, what are responsibilities of Muslims if other Muslims are being oppressed?
Responsibility of good Muslim is to help the oppressed Muslim in every way that is allowed by Allah. But the way of the fundamentalist clerics to kill innocent people of the other country, I don't think that is allowed! The fundamentalist clerics way is to bomb passenger buses, blow up cafe's, hijack planes, and randomly kill women and children of the other country, even if those people do not support the illegal acts of their government. If you support the fundamentalists clerics who think like this, then how can Allah love a people who kill His creations randomly and hold no regard for human life that Allah made so sacred? |
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Abinzain
SAUDI ARABIA
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Posted - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:13 AM
To oosman only,
I am not imposing (about music) but you are imposing your own Islam by wrong interpretations of Qura’n and self-made hadeeth etc. so keep your wrong understanding with you only.
Edited by: Abinzain on Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:16 AM |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 12:58 AM
But I think your interpretation is wrong. And now you are also lying by saying that I said false hadeeth. I quoted from Sahih Bukhari, you should check the reference I gave. Now you have proven yourself to be a liar and accuser, and your word is worthless.
Edited by: oosman on Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:01 AM |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 5:05 AM
Be Calm brothers. I am 100% sure that both are trying to bring the straight way in forum with backing of Quran and Hadith.Only ours interpretations are diffrent. Our destination is the same may path to reach there is different.
The discussion could be productive and every one's point of view could be beneficial for others if we not become personnel to each other.
May Allah guide us...Aneem. |
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