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JunaidHasan
GERMANY
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 Topic initiated on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 2:32 AM 
BEFORE BLAMING THE US…
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 5:56 AM 
| Actually you have answered your own question. And the holy Qur'an does say 'let there be no compulsion in relgion'. Plus we have the examples of the khalifa rashideen, e.g. Umer who once appointed a Jew for a high government position. There are other khalifa who did similar actions. And I don't know if the prophet or any other khalifa ever attacked or started a war just becuase the other side did not believe his message. It was usually for defence or to prevent an attack, or to recover what the Muslims had lost. |
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khaledgr8
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 11:10 AM
Salam Junaid,
You did a wrong conclusion before you were going right .First of all, one thing should be clear this interpretation is based on coherence of Quran ideology that is Farhai school of thoughts.
You Wrote
: If we follow the former viewpoint of Osama-bin-Ladin, Dr. Israr Ahmad and all such Islamic leaders and scholars, I think, we have no right to say that the US being a superpower is doing anything wrong by attacking the other countries simply because if we Muslims were the superpower, we would have done the same or even worse with the other nations.
Therefore, either we Muslims should change our weird principles and attitudes or accept that the US is doing all correct things being a superpower today.
Yes, it is right that there is no compulsion in Islam for confessing it. The QATAL which was evidenced in Quran and Islamic history was specific to Almighty law in case of his Rasool‘s nation. It is proved in Quran, when God send Rasool, he get clear RIGHT (Truth) in the form of 2+2=4, Means there is no way of denying. After Denying Truth ,God punish consider nation in two way , if Rasool and his companion get government power then they do QATAL , if RASOOL and his companion are short in quantity then GOD punished them in his way (Thunder , flood , earthquake , and use special laws throwing nation from sky , Shouting ,throw stone from sky and many are cited in Quran Majeed).In case of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , he got political power and his companions were in good quantity , therefore , God punished this nation with the swords of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and his companion.
Now you said Either Muslims should change their ideology or accept US is doing right overall.
No, we would examine every act of US; being a superpower is not mean you are entitled to do every cruel act. If we Muslims have no power, it does not mean we should call US right; we have still many ways to cope. Actually the downfall has created two things in our mind 1: Fight 2: Slavery.
Yes, we have no immediate solution, but are steps that could lead us to solutions which are given below
1: Buying Peace in every possibility
2: Concentrate on constructive thinking
3: Efforts to eradicate religious illiteracy
4: Avoid violence preaching
These all above actions are possible .Yes, it is long term but give benefits for everlasting period.
In conclusion, I would say Islamic government only entitled to preach Islam peacefully .It could not compelled to non Muslims to confess Islam. USA is going to cross limit of justice, we should cope with non violent reaction. In the mean time, we should focus on our constructive thinking and work. This will lead us to good Muslim society.
May Allah guide us to right path
Regards
Khaled |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 6:35 PM
You people do open shirk with Allah and the people doing shirk are disbelievers or Kafirs. Nowhere in Noble Quran is mentioned, obey Muhammad but it is only to obey the Rasool (messenger). Despite the clear commandment of God, the corrupt people obey Muhammad Not the Rasool (messenger) and it a serious dishonesty with God and Noble Quran. God forgives everyone but not ‘Mushrekeen’
Hadith attributed to Muhammad are the fabricated material and are never the source of Islam. The corrupt people basically created these Hadith many years after the death of the prophet Muhammad. One of the aims of those corrupt people was to adulterate the religion and to find the things and the interpretations of their own choice.
The corrupt people of today also have the gateway of Hadith to corrupt the religion and find the things of their own choice. They give Hadith much more importance than the Noble Quran. So you people are one of the corrupt people who believe in Hadith and do shirk with Allah. Everyone knows that the people doing shirk are never Muslims but disbelievers (Kafirs). |
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JunaidHasan
GERMANY
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 6:41 PM
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JunaidHasan
GERMANY
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 6:47 PM
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 7:20 PM
Junaid Hasan,
You are saying like that because you are unanswerable!!! |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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 Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 7:34 PM
I'll do exactly what brother Junaid says regarding you Zulfee: "Assalaamu 'Alaikum!"
However, I would like to add that you are wrong AGAIN. Brother Junaid is not 'unanswerable' as you say he is; he's wise, and therefore chooses to ignore you. |
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Nauman
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 8:51 PM
As-Salaamu Alaikum.
I do respect Dr. Israr Ahmed; but I extremely disagree with his point of view regarding Muslim state should bring down non-muslims.
This viewpoint gives legitimacy to Pre-emptive Strike. |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 9:01 PM
| I agree with Nauman's viewpoint. |
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khaledgr8
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, July 14, 2006 - 6:47 AM
Ok, Junaid, I had only objection that “Accept USA is doing right”. Now I would printout one thing. The current ideology is a source of Moudoodi thought, but still difference lies between Moudoodi and private organizations thought. Moulana Moudoodi (ra) firmly believes in that Jihad or Qatal (in his perspective) is only applied when Muslims have government and other required sources. On the contrary, our private organizations do not care this basic requirement for Jihad. Dr.Israr also believes in State Jihad, but his debates and interview do not condemn such jihad. Nor he call it is right neither it is wrong.
While Moulana Moudoodi strongly believes in that without government JEHAD is not allowed. It is recorded that he strongly condemned Pakistan‘s private JEHAD in Kashmir. He said “Pakistan should openly declare that we are in war against India, beside this all ways become denier of Quran Majeed”.
Yes, it is moudoodi thought to compel non Muslims to confess Islam, but with that he firmly believes in government and other resources for this struggle. But it is afraid, later people have gone far from this ideology.
The purpose of this writing is that private organizations have no grounds in Quran, Sunnah and Hadis even in Moudoodi thought.
It could be confirmed with Moderator Mr.Ibrahim.
Ibrahim bhai, kindly include your view in this regard.
May Allah guide us to right path.
Regards
Khaled |
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JunaidHasan
GERMANY
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Posted - Friday, July 14, 2006 - 5:57 PM
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 1:37 AM
| May God not make you all the fuel of Hell fire! |
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JunaidHasan
GERMANY
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Posted - Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 1:49 AM
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 1:59 AM
quote:
A'min Sum A'min!
What does it mean? |
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JunaidHasan
GERMANY
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Posted - Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 2:15 AM
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