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			| waseem 
 UNITED KINGDOM
 |  Topic initiated on Tuesday, December 12, 2006  -  12:18 PM   
 | The true concept of worship 
 The true concept of worship by Javaid Ahmad Ghamidhi
 
 Worshipping Allah does not mean that we just perform some external and outer rituals and obligations routinely. It includes realisation and understanding of the correct relationship between the Creator and His creation, His obligations, limits of this relationship and its true essence.
 
 Worshipping Allah in its true essence is an internal change, feeling and experience. It is a conscious and living relationship with Allah, that will also reflect in external and outer actions, attitudes and fulfilling of obligations and rituals.
 
 In reality Worship is something that one feels inside him and it manifests itself in practical activities of our life. Thus religion becomes obedience, and one develops a sole purpose to please Allah and willingly fulfil His commands and obligations.
 
 If we want to gauge our relationship with Allah, then let us look at ourselves. Are we frustrated, sad and unhappy or are we confident and have faith and trust in the decisions of Allah. How do I react when I am in difficulties and when I receive or achieve something?
 
 Those who have developed a true understanding of worshipping Allah, strive to purify their intentions and deeds, develop realisation and appreciation of their Faith and moral etiquette's, have complete trust that everything happens from Allah and happens for a reason (tawakal) and their lives are geared towards remembrance of Allah and thanking him for his blessings or patience when faced with difficulties. The life of a momen is between the two words sabr and shukar i. e patience and gratefulness.
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			| Zulfee 
 USA
 |  Posted - Thursday, December 14, 2006  -  2:22 PM   
 | quote: The true concept of worship by Javaid Ahmad Ghamidhi
 
 He belongs to the Corrupt form of the sect- Ehl-e-hadith, while there is no place of any sect in Islam?????How the idol worshippers give the true concept??
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			| waseem 
 UNITED KINGDOM
 |  Posted - Monday, December 18, 2006  -  11:37 AM   
 | Respected brother in Islam 
 You have answered the question with your emotions. In my opinion, this is a debate and discussion forum, In my humble opinion, we should exchange and benefit from each others knowledge and reasoning rather than our likes and dislikes.
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			| aboosait 
 INDIA
 |  Posted - Tuesday, January 23, 2007  -  3:31 PM   
 | Q.1.Please speak out..what exactly do you mean when you say 'corrupt form of Ehl-e-hadith'...and what is the 'non-corrupt form of Ehl-e-hadith'?quote: The true concept of worship by Javaid Ahmad Ghamidhi
 He belongs to the Corrupt form of the sect- Ehl-e-hadith, .....How the idol worshippers give the true concept??
 
 
 Q.2.Who are these idol worshippers you are refering to and what is the 'true concept' you wish to propagate?
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			| Zulfee 
 USA
 |  Posted - Monday, January 29, 2007  -  7:11 AM   
 | quote: Q.1.Please speak out..what exactly do you mean when you say 'corrupt form of Ehl-e-hadith'...and what is the 'non-corrupt form of Ehl-e-hadith'?
 
 (i)Corrupt form are those who use the hadith ONLY to support their personal benefits.
 (ii)Non Corrupt form are those who believe in all the hadith regardless of their personal benefits.
 This is the difference between the two categories OTHERWISE BOTH are the disbelievers or the idol worshippers.
 
 quote: Q.2.Who are these idol worshippers you are refering to and what is the 'true concept' you wish to propagate?
 
 Anyone who believes in the religious source other than the Noble Quran are the disbelievers or believe in their idols whose false teachings they acquire. Hence the hadith believers are actually the worshippers of its (hadith) inventors and their followers. Their all (the extra-Quranic) concepts are satanic acts to astray the people.
 
 It has been repeated many times, so don’t make the immature questions. For the details, study the posts of Sksamshirali in the ‘The Quran and Sunnah’ Forum at http://www.studying-islam.org/forum/topic.aspx?topicid=1103&lang=&forumid=1
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			| aboosait 
 INDIA
 |  Posted - Monday, January 29, 2007  -  7:46 AM   
 | Moderators may please intervenequote: BOTH are the disbelievers or the idol worshippers
 
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			| Zulfee 
 USA
 |  Posted - Monday, January 29, 2007  -  7:57 AM   
 | Solid worth is not sullied by slander. | 
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			| Zulfee 
 USA
 |  Posted - Monday, January 29, 2007  -  7:57 AM   
 | Solid worth is not sullied by slander. | 
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			| aboosait 
 INDIA
 |  Posted - Tuesday, January 30, 2007  -  4:54 AM   
 | So the moderators have permited you to brand others as infidels, mutes, idiots as well as disbelievers or the idol worshippers?quote: BOTH are the disbelievers or the idol worshippers.... the hadith believers are actually the worshippers of its (hadith) inventors and their followers.. For the details, http://www.studying-islam.org/forum/topic.aspx?topicid=1103&lang=&forumid=1
 
 
 'main rowoon ya hansoon,............... karoontho kya karoon?
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			| Ibrahimblicksjo 
 SWEDEN
 |  Posted - Wednesday, January 31, 2007  -  9:28 PM   
 | Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: "If anyone calls another for a disbeliever then one of them must be it." So it is very dangerous to do this. What if I call someone a disbeliever and then when we stand in front of Allah he is not? Subhana Allah we have to be very carefull with what we say and what we call each other if we are Godfearing | 
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			| Ibrahimblicksjo 
 SWEDEN
 |  Posted - Wednesday, January 31, 2007  -  9:31 PM   
 | Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: "If anyone calls another for a disbeliever then one of them must be it." So it is very dangerous to do this. What if I call someone a disbeliever and then when we stand in front of Allah he is not? Subhana Allah we have to be very carefull with what we say and what we call each other if we are Godfearing | 
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			| oosman 
 USA
 |  Posted - Thursday, February 1, 2007  -  12:25 AM   
 | This sounds like a good hadith, however some of those on this board who call others idol worshippers and infidels, they do not believe in hadith. Also it will fall on deaf ears. | 
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			| aboosait 
 INDIA
 |  Posted - Thursday, February 1, 2007  -  4:42 AM   
 | What is the Ruling concerning  the Muslim who sees another Muslim committing a major act of sin such as this and does not take action to stop him/her from doing it (inspite of having the power to stop him/her from doing it)?quote: Prophet Muhammad (saws) said: "If anyone calls another for a disbeliever then one of them must be it."
 
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			| waseem 
 UNITED KINGDOM
 |  Posted - Thursday, February 1, 2007  -  6:28 PM   
 | Salam brother Zulfee 
 I quote  from the Glorious Qur'an, what I believe is expected from a practising muslim
 
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 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
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			| Zulfee 
 USA
 |  Posted - Friday, February 2, 2007  -  10:30 AM   
 | quote: I quote from the Glorious Qur'an, what I believe is expected from a practising muslim
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 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
 
 What a concept is!!!
 In other words, you want to interpret, ‘Every Hindu, Sikh, Jew, Christian etc are better than you’
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			| Zulfee 
 USA
 |  Posted - Friday, February 2, 2007  -  10:30 AM   
 | quote: I quote from the Glorious Qur'an, what I believe is expected from a practising muslim
 049.011
 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others: It may be that the (latter) are better than the (former): Nor let some women laugh at others: It may be that the (latter are better than the (former): Nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other, nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
 
 What a concept is!!!
 In other words, you want to interpret, ‘Every Hindu, Sikh, Jew, Christian etc are better than you’
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