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Sanwal
INDIA
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 Posted - Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 6:09 PM 
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Sanwal, who is the moderator? on this site? this is studying Islam not studying Islam UK
..................What I still don't understand is why can't hnkhan be a moderator on this website? We have nothing to do with Studying Islam UK...............
I would like Studying Islam Moderator to give an explanation.
I surely know all the matter from A to Z. That is why I am so confident to believe in the fair decision of the admin. |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 6:18 PM
| All the more reason why I would like the admin to step forward and give us his input. |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 6:58 PM
"I surely know all the matter from A to Z. That is why I am so confident to believe in the fair decision of the admin."
Sanwal if you are aware of the whole issue then can you please share with us that knowledge too. we are not totally aware and confused so please tell us what you know and if appropriate how you know it. |
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samra
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, June 16, 2010 - 8:47 PM
Khan's email:
jzk.
i sincerely feel that almawrid must change it's outlook about women's role in islam in the present times as they are progressive and far sighted in other islamic matters, although trying to stay still within the Qur'an and sunnah limits still. their strategy about women's role in such works and organisations is still based on amin islahi sahib's(may Allah be pleased with him) book "woman's role in an islamic society" which was written more than half a century ago in particular circumstances. today there are times when we need to see the woman's role in a non islamic society as well. even within islamic society we have to see that as she is already playing her role outside the kitchen, so how can she contribute in places like mosques, islamic educational organizations etc. otherwise the only out of home place we will see her will either be shopping centres, markets, fun places and cinemas, or in the parliaments and politics and other work places but not in the islamic educational organisations and institutes or masjids. salam.h
Edited by: samra on Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:26 PM |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 5:34 AM
| so what is wrong in having an opinion. It was worded very well and sensibly. I think the Al mawrid team is broad minded and understand issues related to women. |
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Sanwal
INDIA
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Posted - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 1:05 PM
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.......we will see her will either be shopping centres, markets, fun places and...., or in the parliaments and politics and other work places but......
Are these places out of Islam OR Can't we apply islam at these places?
Are you proclaiming Mulla-ism to serve your will? |
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aboosait
INDIA
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Posted - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 1:57 PM
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.......we will see her will either be shopping centres, markets, fun places and...., or in the parliaments and politics and other work places but......
Are these places out of Islam OR Can't we apply islam at these places?
Are you proclaiming Mulla-ism to serve your will?
That was an irrelevant, irresponsible reply. The sister has not said nor does her post imply that these places out of Islam.
Please reply to the post as a whole because that but and what follows the but is what is actually conveyed to us in that post. You have deleted that!  |
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Sanwal
INDIA
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Posted - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 3:35 PM
| NO, Aboosait...............! |
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Sanwal
INDIA
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Posted - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 3:43 PM
| Aboosait, You are an Indian and me too. Regarding this important matter to discuss in detail, I want to have a meeting with you in our homeland. Are you interested? |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 3:50 PM
| Sanwal hnkhan's post has nothing to do with with her not being on this forum, Almaurid and understanding Islam don't discourage constructive suggestions and I think you have misunderstood hnkhan's words. I think it is a very beautiful and constructive suggestion don't you? |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - 4:15 PM
| What you know you can convey to all of us why do you want to single out one person Sanwal? |
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samra
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Friday, June 18, 2010 - 12:00 AM
Khan has sent this research article of her's about "Women's health and Islam." She said she has posted it for this website Articles section a few times but since this conflict about women's positive participation at all levels between the brothers here and her, the knock on effect was felt by her from the websites admin she has been working with; this made her realize that the websites admin is being pressurized by the peers. For example the articles she has been sending have been rejected without being given a reason. Please tell us the reason for not uploading her article below. Is it because it does not comply with the school of thought that this website possesses. Why would you discourage a sister colleague of your's for her hard works which she still very humbly attributes to your hard works and teaching for her.
She says that when she mentioned the following facts in this article at the UIUK AGM last year during a question and answer session, all the sisters, the wives of the brothers came to her privately after the session and whispered to her that they were very glad that Khan had raised this important fact. They also patted her on raising the issue of women's representation in the working and decisive committees. But sadly none admitted in front of their husbands later and Khan was left alone by both the parties because of the truth she stood up for! As happens always. She does not regret this as she says that she has learnt this lesson from her teachers in Islam :) i.e.
Our Motto Stand upright, speak thy thoughts, declare The truth thou hast, that all may share, Be bold, proclaim it everywhere: They only live who dare. (as printed on monthly Renaissance)
Rijs or 'Aza'
It matters a lot how do we interpret the verses of Qur'an in relation to the facts and context. Women's health affects her general performance and her comfort & discomfort, be it physical or mental has a direct effect on the whole family. If she is depressed the whole house will have a gloomy appearance. If a woman is in peace the house can present a picture of Paradise. The Creator has therefore laid a lot of stress on looking after women and we find the same reflection in the beloved prophet Muhammad sws teachings.
The Prophet reminded repeatedly about taking care of women throughout his life and specially in his last sermon at the Hajj he performed shortly before he met his Lord. It matters a lot how the verses about women are interpreted by various scholars of Qur'an. Even the position of a woman in their own eyes and hence in the eyes of the ummah(Muslim nation) can be directly affected by this. For example if a woman is seen as a junk at certain times and periods of her life, naturally and sub consciously her status in the eyes of even very pious men will fall because he will be consciously struggling to protect himself from the ill effects of this impure figure.
We can see this a lot more clearly in Hinduism when a woman during her monthly menstrual cycles is classed as 'impure' and is not even allowed to cook food for the family, let alone being touched by her husband.
The verse of Qura'n which gives guidance about sexual relationship with wives mentions this phase and directs men to stay away from them until they are clean and mentions the word 'az'a' for the state of the menstrual period. The word 'Aza' in Qur'an has been translated at all other places as 'discomfort' or 'pain' except at this particular place where it has been translated by most scholars as 'impurity' the Arabic word for which is'Rijs'
وَيَسۡـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلۡمَحِيضِۖ قُلۡ هُوَ أَذً۬ى
فَٱعۡتَزِلُواْ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فِى ٱلۡمَحِيضِۖ وَلَا تَقۡرَبُوهُنَّ حَتَّىٰ يَطۡهُرۡنَۖ فَإِذَا تَطَهَّرۡنَ فَأۡتُوهُنَّ مِنۡ حَيۡثُ أَمَرَكُمُ ٱللَّهُۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلتَّوَّٲبِينَ وَيُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُتَطَهِّرِينَ (٢٢٢ They question thee (O Muhammad) concerning menstruation. Say: It is an illness, so let women alone at such times and go not in unto them till they are cleansed. And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah hath enjoined upon you. Truly Allah loveth those who turn unto Him, and loveth those who have a care for cleanness. (222) Pikthall
They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they are purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allâh has ordained for you (go in unto them in any manner as long as it is in their vagina). Truly, Allâh loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves (by taking a bath and cleaning and washing thoroughly their private parts, bodies, for their prayers). (222) (Dr.Mohsin)
They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution; so keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time or place ordained for you by Allah. for Allah loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. (222) (Abdullah Yousuf Ali)
اور آپ سے حیض کے بارے میں
پوچھتے ہیں کہہ دو وہ نجاست ہے پس حیض میں عورتوں سے علیحدٰہ رہو اور ان کے پاس نہ جاؤ یہاں تک کہ وہ پاک ہو لیں پھر جب وہ پاک ہو جائیں تو ان کے پاس جاؤ جہاں سے اللہ نےتمہیں حکم دیا ہے بے شک الله توبہ کرنے والوں کو دوست رکھتا ہے اوربہت پاک رہنے والوں کو دوست رکھتا ہے (۲۲۲) (Urdu Ahmed Ali) اور تم سے حیض کے بارے میں دریافت کرتے ہیں۔ کہہ دو کہ وہ تو نجاست ہے۔ سو ایام حیض میں عورتوں سے کنارہ کش رہو۔ اور جب تک پاک نہ ہوجائیں ان سے مقاربت نہ کرو۔ ہاں جب پاک ہوجائیں تو جس طریق سے خدا نے ارشاد فرمایا ہے ان کے پاس جاؤ۔ کچھ شک نہیں کہ خدا توبہ کرنے والوں اور پاک صاف رہنے والوں کو دوست رکھتا ہے (۲۲۲) (Urdu Jalandhri)
Only seldom scholars have translated the word as 'illness' as it should be in my understanding. God has given the woman lot of concession during these days. She has been given a leave from the ritual of 5 times prayers schedule with ablution and all the formalities. Similarly she is allowed to postpone fasting and other worship rituals like Hajj and Umrah .
Medically many women suffer health wise during their menstrual phase of the cycles including aches and pains which can be severe in many cases. Sickness absence Higher rate for women than men Sickness absence from work, United Kingdom, Winter 2005 http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1577 A similar picture can be found in various countries of the world due to similar reasons, including child birth and child care of course.
Similarly God has given a woman the right to be at rest and not to be disturbd by her husband regarding sexual activity which can be uncomfortable during this time, besides being unhygienic of course due to the presence of blood; but the translators must be careful to keep the illness and discomfort as a priority rather than 'impurity' which gives an unnecessary feeling of superiority to men in general, which actually is not there in this regard of purification. |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, June 18, 2010 - 2:45 AM
Very well written and a simple concept given.
why was it rejected I wonder. This is a tough time for some women and a very painful one imagine going through it every month. When I was a young girl the first 2 days were a painful nightmare i had to take analgesics to just get out of bed. Strangely the most caring and comforting in my family was my father who would immediately know looking at me that i was going through that phase. When i would be lying down he would quietly bring a hot water bottle for me ask me if i had taken medication otherwise he would quietly bring it himself. i was not to disturbed everyone tried to make things easy for me. The purpose of this long story is if people see it as a need and take special care if required then things are comfortable instead of treating it as a massive inconvenience. It makes a big difference if the head of the family that is father or husband understands the need of the women in his household and special care is given if required.
so how the Quranic verses are interpreted is very important and well done hnkhan on your insight. |
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aboosait
INDIA
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Posted - Friday, June 18, 2010 - 3:33 AM
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........the articles she has been sending have been rejected without being given a reason....
And several of my posts have been deleted without telling me the reason for deleting (as to which of the forum rules have been violated by me in their opinion). Gende bias ruled out because I am from the brothers.
Edited by: aboosait on Friday, June 18, 2010 4:38 AM |
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aboosait
INDIA
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Posted - Friday, June 18, 2010 - 4:25 AM
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Our Motto Stand upright, speak thy thoughts, declare The truth thou hast, that all may share, Be bold, proclaim it everywhere: They only live who dare. (as printed on monthly Renaissance)
Rijs or 'Aza'
It matters a lot how do we interpret the verses of Qur'an in relation to the facts and context....
The word 'Aza' in Qur'an has been translated at all other places as 'discomfort' or 'pain' except at this particular place where it has been translated by most scholars as 'impurity' the Arabic word for which is'Rijs'
قُلۡ هُوَ أَذً۬ى
1. .....Say: It is an illness,......Pikthall
2. .....that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses),..... (Dr.Mohsin)
3. ........Say: They are a hurt and a pollution;........(Abdullah Yousuf Ali)
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کہہ دو وہ نجاست ہے (Urdu Ahmed Ali)
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۔ کہہ دو کہ وہ تو نجاست ہے
(Urdu Jalandhri)
...Only seldom scholars have translated the word as 'illness' as it should be in my understanding....
Dr. Ms. hkhan is right. Aziyyat would have been the right Urdu translation of the Arabic word Aza أَذً۬ى
It appears from the above that the English translators have directly translated the word from Arabic to English whereas Al mowrid appears to have translated the Urdu translation of the word as it appears in the above translations into English without bothering to know the meaning from the original Arabic Text.
And the Al-Mowrid team is from Pakistan and their native language is Urdu. It is surprising to note that though Urdu has most of the technical terms same as those of Arabic (ilaah of Arabic is translated as ilaah in Urdu, and rabb of Arabic is translated as rabb in Urdu) what made them to use an entirely different word نجاست (najaasata) in place of أَذً۬ى (Aza).
And I repeat,
Aziyyat would have been the right Urdu translation of the Arabic word Aza أَذً۬ى
Edited by: aboosait on Friday, June 18, 2010 4:39 AM |
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safimera
CANADA
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Posted - Friday, June 18, 2010 - 5:02 AM
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That was an irrelevant, irresponsible reply. The sister has not said nor does her post imply that these places out of Islam.
Please reply to the post as a whole because that but and what follows the but is what is actually conveyed to us in that post. You have deleted that!
i endorsed it...Mr Sanwal be reasonable in your criticism....
I agree with you that those places (market, politics etc) also important ..what hkhan 's point was another.....in islamic education and research and fiqh etc etc |
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