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aboosait
INDIA
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 Posted - Tuesday, July 6, 2010 - 5:21 PM 
Marwan wrote: quote:
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......I cannot say it is forbidden, ......... This would include therefore roles such as doctors etc.
However, medical, nutritional etc knowledge that is beneficial should be available to them.......
And this knowledge will not develop by itself sitting at home spending all her time attending to domestic work. She has to atttend a prescribed course followed by housemanship to be a good doctor.
Thanks brother Marwan and other participants for a patient hearing. Insha Allah I am preparing to leave the forum and so trying to reply to any questions asked of me in reply to my posts here before I say goodbye.
Jazakallahu khair.
Assalamu alaykum wa Rahmatullah.
Edited by: aboosait on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:23 PM |
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marwan
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, July 6, 2010 - 6:29 PM
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And this knowledge will not develop by itself sitting at home spending all her time attending to domestic work. She has to atttend a prescribed course followed by housemanship to be a good doctor.
Of course, but that is not what I am talking about. To have some medical knowledge, one does not need to be a doctor.
Any knowledge one can acquire can be of benefit.
Salaam |
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aboosait
INDIA
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Posted - Wednesday, July 7, 2010 - 12:59 PM
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To have some medical knowledge, one does not need to be a doctor.
Any knowledge one can acquire can be of benefit.
Little knowledge is dangerous. |
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marwan
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, July 7, 2010 - 1:14 PM
Salaam,
What a lovely generalisation.
It is only the fool that becomes dangerous with knowledge. Through assumptions, arrogance and the like.
Such people cannot benefit from knowledge, no matter how much they have.
I am not talking about the ability to prescribe medication, to diagnose and fix medical problems.
I am talking about knowing some warning signs of common illnesses. Knowledge of nutrition and hygiene. Knowledge of how disease spreads. And so on.
If you plan to comment next, please flesh out you comment with some backing data or logic.
salaam |
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Sanwal
INDIA
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Posted - Sunday, July 11, 2010 - 3:42 AM
| There is a general concept that wife is dominant over husband and it seems to be true to some extent. Among the women, of today, who have no respect at all at their homes they have no option other than to percuss the key board and burn their hearts and eyes in front of the computers. So they must continue to kill their time in the corner, keeping in mind that they will surely catch larks if the sky falls. |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 4:10 AM
"An ideal women",
"speaks and laughs rarely and never without a reason. She never leaves the hose, even to see neighbours or her acquaintance. She has no women friends, gives her confidence to nobody, and her husband is her sole reliance. She accepts nothing from anyone, excepting her husband and her parents. If she sees her relatives she does not meddle in their affairs. She is not treacherous and has no faults to hide, nor bad reasons to proffer. She does not try to entice people. If her husband shows his intention to performing the conjugal rites, she agrees to satisfy his desire and occasionally provokes it. She assists him always in his affairs, and is sparing in complaints and tears; she does not laugh or rejoice when she sees her husband moody or sorrowful but shares his troubles, and wheedles him into good humour till he is quite content again. She does not surrender herself to anybody but her husband, even if abstinence would kill her. Such a woman is cherished by everyone."
Is this how a muslim woman should be |
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Sanwal
INDIA
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Posted - Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 12:43 PM
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……………She accepts nothing from anyone, excepting her husband and her parents……………….
Rather than to waste her time on the net, it’s better for the woman to start at the gross root level. If married she must convince her husband, to cover the topic and concept of “The Muslim Woman" of today. If unmarried she must convince her father and brothers. I think it’s not difficult, on the individual basis, for the woman to handle her husband, father and brothers. In this way, if all the individual efforts are added then the sum of the collective efforts will obviously change the world and the woman will surely have her life a bed of roses. |
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safimera
CANADA
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Posted - Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 7:26 PM
sanwal===>
u made very very good point....
"charit begins at home"...
a woman has to start with her surrounding relatives to get their rights and respected position in society....
their father, brothers, husband and sons....
this is thefastest way to get a respected position of woman in whole society.....
but it does not mean that they should stop participating in any respected, healthy and educational discussion or forum, as u suggested earlier. |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, July 16, 2010 - 4:29 AM
"Our Prophet was surrounded by strong, assertive and independent women. His beloved Khadija, who we have previously mentioned, was one of the most successful business people in the Arabian Peninsula, and her wealth allowed the Prophet to retreat to the Cave of Hira where he would receive the first revelation.
Ayesha, despite her young age was an assertive, free-spirited, intellectual powerhouse who would become one of the great female scholars in history. The foundation for her intellectual greatness was laid by the Prophet himself who recognised her brilliance. Zainab bint Jahsh ran a “non-profit” organisation. She would make various handicrafts, sell them in the market and then use the proceeds to secretly give charity to the poor people of Medina. Umm Salam had the courage to migrate from Mecca to Medina, unescorted, although she was ultimately accompanied by a single rider. She also had the vision to resolve the crisis at Hudaybiyya. These were all wives of the Prophet. To their names we could add those of many other strong and dynamic women who played a major role in the life of the fledgling Muslim community."
These were the women who were the most respected and much loved by all "dynamic, strong outgoing yet pious and fulfilling all responsibilities of being a mother and a wife. |
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Sanwal
INDIA
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Posted - Friday, July 16, 2010 - 6:13 PM
No one refutes the roles of Khadija and Ayesha (wives of the prophet saw), but “The Muslim Woman” of today must be like Khadija and Ayesha in every aspects not only single chosen one.
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What are your comments regarding this quote?
quote:
There is a general concept that wife is dominant over husband and it seems to be true to some extent.
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, July 16, 2010 - 6:49 PM
Well in some cases you are right. In our culture women are not expected to have an opinion so if a woman gives her opinion by saying 'but my husband thinks such and such' she is saying what she wants to say without saying I think such and such.... this woman is exceptable but give your opinion as "i think so and so".... is a woman who is thought to be a dominant wife. It is our perception of how we think of a woman should be.
When independent thought is not encouraged in a woman then she learns to maneuver a woman is born with the same capability as a man to think, to learn and to analyse it is our surrounding our up bringing which molds us into who we are.
Women can be extremely dominant as wives without society thinking her so and be called dominating but not actually being so. Relationships work only if both the husband and wife can fulfill each other's expectation, some couples have clearly divided roles where husband's work, business, career is not a woman's domain and the wives don't know and are fine with it the house and it's set up is the wife's area the husband doesn't know and doesn't want to know either. They are happy and have no issues. some couples like it different the wife is aware of her husband's career gives her suggestions, where applicable the husband likes it and same is the case of the house where a husband is aware gives suggestions and the wife likes that involvement. the problem occurs when there is incompatibility and different roles are expected from both the partners. |
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Sanwal
INDIA
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Posted - Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 9:43 AM
saba2, you are a very nice moderator though in the women section.
You don't seem to be the dictator like hkhan.
Continue Please...
Edited by: Sanwal on Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:06 PM |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Sunday, July 18, 2010 - 1:04 PM
| Thank you for your affection, this is the first time I find you happy and pleased, I seem to have voiced an opinion you like. Hina Khan was not a dictator but a dedicated scholar, remember she is in U.K. and I am in Pakistan so what did I say about learning to maneuver..... so watch out. |
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saba2
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, July 31, 2010 - 6:13 AM
| Qurratul-Ain Haider one of the most outstanding literary names in Urdu Literature. The bold and beautiful Ainee Apa, " an inspiration to all women who dared to be different" |
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