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Iftikhar
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Topic initiated on Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 7:59 PM 
Community Cohesion
Community Cohesion
According to Ruth Kelly, migrants must learn English language to integrate. Learning English language is about as useful as learning Arabic, Urdu and other community languages. The British Establishment and society has systematically failed to understand the causes of migration, global terrorism and social and emotional, economic segregation. Muslims suffer different forms of discrimination which reduce their employment opportunities and affect their educational achievements. This can give rise to hopelessness and could undermine Muslims’ sense of belongingness. Islamophobia is a growing reality of racism around the world. The only way to stop it is by respecting the religious diversity. Communities are more divided than ever. The Government presses ahead with flawed policies and anti-terrorist legislation that created further resentment, alienation and criminalization. A dramatic surge of racist and religiously—motivated violence followed the 7/7, London and Glasgow bombing.
Muslim communities are angry at plans to “spy” on Muslim students at universities. The proposal is an act of racism. Universities are not the problem. Just because some of the 7/7 bombers were graduates, does not mean they formed their ideas in a university. It is the western society which is creating extreme Muslims all around the world. Young Muslims are becoming more separated from society than their parents who were not well versed in English while young Muslim generation is notoriously monolinguals. Schools do not encourage and teach Arabic, Urdu and other community languages. They are even discouraged to speak mother tongues at home. They only learn British History not their own history. The British society was and still reluctant to open up its sense of citizenship to all those that have come to live here. Integration is a two-way process. Many Muslims acknowledge that they need to do more to engage with wider society. At the same time British and European politicians must make stronger efforts to promote meaningful intercultural dialogue and tackle racism, discrimination and marginalization more effectively.
The British establishment is wrong in thinking that Imams are to blame for extremism. Imams are not solution to the problem for extremism. Extremism is nothing to do with Imams. Extremism is not created from abroad, it is coming from within. Britain fails to help Muslim communities feel part of British society. Race trouble is being predicted by the Daily Express, because of an ethnic boom in UK major cities. Muslim communities need imams for the solutions of their needs and demands in their own native languages. Muslim parents would like to see their children well versed in Standard English and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The fact is that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades because monolingual teachers are not capable to teach Standard English to bilingual Muslim children. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.
Iftikhar Ahmad
www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - 8:05 PM 
| This is BS. It is about time that Muslim take responsibility for their actions and stop putting the blame on the West for creating the 'so called circumstances' that make Muslims into extremists. Eventually responsibility lies with the doer of the action. |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:32 AM
There is a saying "yhose who live in caves and say the Sun does not shine are wrong, Sun shines for those who have the ability to come out of darkness and enjoy its warmth."
Your account is very one sided and biased.The onus is on the West to do everything and Muslims are the victims of everything.
I agree with bro Osman. Firstly, if someone is imigrating to UK and cannot even make an effort to learn English, they have closed the doors of community integration. Are you expecting the British to learn Urdu to understand them.
Secondly, have you seen media coverage of Muslim students protesting on the roads asking for implementation of shariah law in UK and that one day they will claim UK for the Muslims. There have been protests outside St Peters in London asking the ArchBishop to embrace Islam.
What about doctors after the recent episodes, If I was an English administrator I would give the job to any tom dick and harry but a muslim.
The Imams imported from remote villages from Pakistan are again a main problem. They have no understanding of Englisg culture, they cannot speak the language and continue to teach primitive and extremist views. I went to one mosque and they were teaching Quran to young kids and when they were making mistakes were resorting to shout and even physically beat them with a stick as happens in Pakistan.These practices are forbidden in UK and even against the law.
Muslims please open our eyes and accept the truth.Do not be biased and feel the world is against us. The world is against us because the fact is we are banaspati muslims. We feel obliged to support a muslim even if he is wrong. We do not seek and follow the path of truth. We are not even open minded when it comes to our religion. We are an outcome of our closed society and do not try to look beyond our current horizen. No doubt and very rightly we are a laughing stock for the rest of the world. This is on merit and we deserve it. |
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Iftikhar
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 12:08 PM
Salaam
The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to be well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
Muslim community has already lost three generations and fourth one is in the process of losing its cultural, linguistic and spiritual identity.
All state schools where Muslim children are in majority should be designated as Muslim community schools. |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 6:36 PM
| Are you saying that is it the responsibility of British overnment to provide all this. Is any other imigrant population asking for any of these? Three generations have been lost because of the ignorance and incompetance of their elders and is not the fault of British government. |
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Iftikhar
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, August 22, 2007 - 9:49 PM
Salaam
I have been campaigning for state funded Muslim schools since early 70s. Do not blame your elders for all the problems the young generation is facing. Your elders have set up Masajid for the Islamic education of their children. They set up buisnessess and the young generation is enjoying the fruit of their hard labour. Your elders had faced more problems than the younger generation. I blame the British society and the British establishment for all the problems faced by Muslim communities.
The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. We are not asking for any favour. Muslim community is working hard for the economic prosperity of the British society, paying all sorts and taxes and is less burden on the social services. |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:28 AM
Quote: I blame the British society and the British establishment for all the problems faced by Muslim communities.
Most humbly I disagree. Muslims have a choice, they can always leave UK for pastures new. |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 1:26 PM
Quote:Do not blame your elders for all the problems the young generation is facing. Your elders have set up Masajid for the Islamic education of their children. They set up buisnessess and the young generation is enjoying the fruit of their hard labour.
In my opinion the older generation of muslims in UK are responsible for a lot of problems that the youth face. I have worked as an inner city gp in a muslim dominated area. Educated women from UK are taken back to PK and forced to marry their cousins from villages who can hardly read or write and their lives are destroyed by their own parents.There are issues of honour killings. Muslim youth have as much drug and alcohol problems as their white counterparts and this is despite the fact they have families and religion. The children are brought up making them think they are Pakistani's in UK. they are confused ,they do not know what their identity is, they are not accepted as British because of their attitudes and they are not Pakistani's because they have nothing in common with PK. they are people witout a country or identity. |
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Posted - Friday, August 24, 2007 - 4:54 AM
Quote: They set up buisnessess and the young generation is enjoying the fruit of their hard labour.
but unfortunately majority of them have concentrated on 'pond' rather than moral values for their offsprings-for which they neither had time nor thought it was more important than earning the pounds.
i hv actually seen some of such biz.you mention, and specially fabric shops in asian areas of birmingham whilst working in a local hosp and living there.
mum and dad are in the shop all day long-and children left either to the street children or TV or joint family members who have their own priorities in the child's training.
and an outstanding quality of such shops is that you will find them open all 7 days a week- apparently absolutely no need to spend quality time with children-just to earn more and more. |
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