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sahira

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Posted - Tuesday, August 8, 2006  -  10:21 PM Reply with quote
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how am i misguiding people iftikaralsam did i ask you to start dancing you need to think before you speak instead of jumping in. i asked a question and i think on this forum you are allowed that.
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I M SORRY SISTER SAHIRA. I HAVE BEEN A LITTLE EMOTIONAL ON SUCH ISSUES. THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN WELL KNOWN SINCE CENTURIES 2 ALL THE UMMA, AS A PRACTICAL CONCENSUS WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF SUNNAH IN WORDS OF PEOPLE OPERATING THIS SITE.IN OTHER WORDS SINCE CENTURIES THIS HAS BEEN THE AMAL-E-TAWATUR OF ALL MUSLIM UMMA THAT THEY KNOW AND BELIEVE THAT MUSIC IS HARAM.

salaam brother iftikar
music i definitly read is haraam wherever i have read it it says its not allowed, but i wasnt sure about dancing as i had also heard it wasnt aloud because dancing is linked to music. ?
and im sorry if i hurt you i guess i took your post as a personal attack so please accept my appologies.
sahira

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Tuesday, August 8, 2006  -  10:25 PM Reply with quote
and i would like to add one thing when i start a thread and get replies i usually thank people for posting this does not necessarily mean i agree with them. i just take in account what they are saying. listening and following are two different things.
iftikharaslam

SAUDI ARABIA
Posted - Wednesday, August 9, 2006  -  3:38 PM Reply with quote
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how am i misguiding people iftikaralsam did i ask you to start dancing you need to think before you speak instead of jumping in. i asked a question and i think on this forum you are allowed that.
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I M SORRY SISTER SAHIRA. I HAVE BEEN A LITTLE EMOTIONAL ON SUCH ISSUES. THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN WELL KNOWN SINCE CENTURIES 2 ALL THE UMMA, AS A PRACTICAL CONCENSUS WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF SUNNAH IN WORDS OF PEOPLE OPERATING THIS SITE.IN OTHER WORDS SINCE CENTURIES THIS HAS BEEN THE AMAL-E-TAWATUR OF ALL MUSLIM UMMA THAT THEY KNOW AND BELIEVE THAT MUSIC IS HARAM.

salaam brother iftikar
music i definitly read is haraam wherever i have read it it says its not allowed, but i wasnt sure about dancing as i had also heard it wasnt aloud because dancing is linked to music. ?
and im sorry if i hurt you i guess i took your post as a personal attack so please accept my appologies.
TextOK! ITS ALRIGHT SISTER SAHIRA. AND ALSO THNX USMANI790 FOR HELPING 2 MAKE THE POINT CLEAR!! MAY ALLAH GIVE ALL OF US HIDAYAT!!
sahira

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Monday, September 4, 2006  -  10:25 AM Reply with quote
found this thought it would sum up the topic



With regard to dancing, it is not permissible in front of men, non-mahrams, mahrams or women, because of the fitnah that may be caused by the movements of the body. It is well known that women may feel desire for one another, and even if that is not the case, there is no guarantee that one of them will not go back to her menfolk and describe to them what she has seen of the beauty of the dancer and her movement, so this may affect the men and may cause a great deal of mischief. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade such things.

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No woman should look at another woman then describe her to her husband so that it is as if he can see her.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4839.

In the early days the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) allowed effeminate men to enter upon woman, but when he saw one of them describing women and disclosing their secrets, he forbade them from doing that.

It was narrated from Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her): The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon me and there was an effeminate man with me. I heard him say to ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Abi Umayyah, “O ‘Abd-Allaah, if Allaah should enable you to conquer al-Taa’if tomorrow you should look for the daughter of Ghaylaan…” then he described her. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “These people should not enter upon you.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3980; Muslim, 4048.

The alluring movements of a woman are part of her ‘awrah, and it is not permissible for her to show them to anyone but her husband.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Dancing is makrooh in principle, but if it is done in the western manner or in imitation of the kaafir women, then it becomes haraam, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.” Moreover it sometimes leads to fitnah, because the dancer may be a young, beautiful woman, so the other women are tempted. Even if she is among other women, the other women may do things that indicate that they are temped by her. And whatever is a cause of fitnah is not allowed.

Liqa’ al-Baab al-Maftooh, q. 1085.

And he said:

With regard to dancing on the part of women, it is an evil action and we cannot say that it is permissible, because we have heard of incidents that have occurred among women because of it. If it is done by men that is even worse, because that is men imitating women, and the evil involved is well known. If dancing is done among a mixed group of men and women, as some of the foolish do, that is even worse because of the mixing and great fitnah involved, especially when that is done at a wedding party.”

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/187.

Fourthly:

With regard to permissible words in songs, they are those that do not contain any haraam descriptions, or provoke desire, or words that are forbidden in sharee’ah, or some innovated adhkaar, and other haraam things.

There are sufficient permissible things that may be sung about, such as encouraging good morals, the pursuit of knowledge, giving up haraam things, and so on.

The Standing Committee said:

You are correct in your ruling that songs of the modern type are haraam, because they include immoral words and things that are no good, and they include idle leisure and provocation of sexual desire, and promiscuity, and the voice has a quality that inspires evil thoughts in the mind of the listener. May Allaah help us and you to do that which pleases Him.

It is permissible for you to replace these songs with Islamic nasheeds which contain rulings, exhortation and teaching, which will increase people’s keenness and pride in their religion, and promote Islamic feelings and put people off evil and what leads to it.

Fatwa no. 3295, dated 13/10/1400 AH

And Allaah knows best.

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