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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Topic initiated on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 12:11 AM 
Query for Psychologists and Physicians@ STIslam
Sallam Alikum
My name is ----------you may remember me i had come to with ----------and you had given me leaflets about the islamic web site (http:\\studying-islam.org). I have recommended this site to many of my friends and relatives.
At the moment my wife's health is not good. She constantly faints for couple of hours every day. she also talks while she is fainted. Her mother and father think she has got a jinn and also many of my other relatives think this also. The family thinks that she may have a jinn because when she faints she spoke saying that I am going to split up with her husband and make trouble in families and make sure she leaves. At the moment there are lot of family problems due to her taqleef. All this started when she had her miscarriage.
Her family has taken her to -------- and took her to some people that deal with jinn and witchcraft. They said that she has got Jaddoo (Black Magic) so that she leaves her husband and cause lot of trouble in families and families break up. They also took her to a doctor he said she has epilepsy.
Doctor stated to the mother that there is not one type of epilepsy but thirty types of epilepsy.
I really think she may have a medical problem such as a psychological problem. I am saying this because she has gone through a lot especially when she had her miscarriage. I have always been there to support her and talked to her and helped her to get through this upsetting matter. She has her family to support her and me.
When i take her to doctors she faints and the doctors do not understand why this maybe happening. I spoke to her GP he said she may be suffering from the fact she had a miscarriage and he named me couple of illnesses that some women go through after their miscarriage. I am unable to take her to Doctors because she faints and her parents believe that she does not have a medical problem.
Can you please help me with this matter, as you are a doctor you may be able to help her or can you suggest anything. I have made a doctors appointment and can you suggest what i can ask the doctor.
Thank you very much for your time for reading this email.
K. |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Posted - Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 6:55 AM 
Assallamu Alaykum.
I am not a physician or a psychologist but a GP. The symptoms described to me suggest a psychological cause.Epilepsy does not present with fainting for a couple of hours and people do not continue to speak during these episodes.From what you have described it may be an acute stressful rection to a difficult miscarrige.
You need to ask your gp if she could be referred to see a psychiatrist and also for stress and bereavement counselling.She may also benefit from some calming and mood elevating medications.
Please remember ! she is going through a difficult period and what you are seeing and hearing is not a true reflection of her feelings towards you but a cry for help. So dod not take things on face value.
As a true Muslim also make lots of prayers and salaat.asking for Allah's help.
May Allah make this difficult test in your life easy.
kind regards |
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nesrine
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 8:06 PM
I also Believe it is Psychological, as there isn't any proof of it being epilepsy. Like u kindly mentioned, fainting many times like this isn't really a feature of the well known 3 ypes of epilepsy. Better take her to a specialist, and a female would be more benificial to show more sympathy about the last miscarriage.
May Allah help u find a solution inshaaAllah.
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Posted - Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 2:46 AM
many thnx/jazakumullah dear Dr. Waseem and Dr. Nesreen for your precious time. May Allah bless your skills further and reward you the most.
I think we need Islamic scholar's opinion now, but if you wish to add something plz do.
regards
Sallam Alikum
Date: 19/11/2004 21:53:55 GMT Standard Time
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Sallam Alikum
Thank you very much for help I appreciate it. I am so glad you did give me those leaflets it is a nice website.
--------is still the same. masallah she is praying 5 times a day and regulay reading quran and making duas regularly every day. she usually faints at night now, she is at her mother house where she prefers to be. I will give her sallams to her from you.
Sister Henna i very much appreciate that you are helping me, i thank you very much and may allah swt reward you for this.
I do not mind if you talk to other people about this.
Anyways Sis Henna I did make a doctors appointment for my wife she was going along with it but the day before the appointment she refused to go. She is so convinced she has and her parents and other relatives that she has got a Jinn. She explained to me why she is so convinced she has got a jinn. Sister Henna me and my mother I tried convincing my wife and her family that just let her see a doctor just to be sure that she has not got a medical problem so that at least we can eliminate the point she has not a medical problem.
Sister Henna I just feel like giving up with her because I have done my utter best to help ------ and as well looking after my mother as she is a single parent of mine her health is getting worse she is on anti depression tablets.
It has been 16 months I have been married I got married last July and-------just stayed with me till January after her mis carriage. I can see for my self that she is loosing interest in me and does not want to live with me (this might be due to her condition that she is in).
Sis Henna I know she would not go to doctors and her parents won’t let this happen, I have tried my best to help her but family and relatives come in the way. She does not want to live with me and she is living at her mother’s house because she believes she not comfortable living at my mum’s house (where I live) and she thinks she faints a lot there.
I am only 18 in fulltime education at last year of six form I am ready to give up my education to help my wife out to give her all the help support that she needs.
Sis Henna I know I can’t carry on living like a single life even though I am married. I don’t know why I seem to be fed up and just wanting to divorce her.
It is maybe because my wife is not listening to me and does not see me as a husband but like a stranger. She is all fine with other people in talking wise but when it comes to me she all quite and what it makes me feel hurt the most is that I am like a stranger to her. I really want to have a family of my own and have wife that does her part as a wife by following the obligation of wife according to Islam and me doing my part as husband.
Sister Henna what do you think I should do…
Wasillam
Thank u very much for help
waalaykum assalaam and Thnx for details
May Allah help you out . My utmost prayers for you to remain united; so that you can practice
"Bear with me! Grow old with me.Best has yet to come!"   
"May Lord unite you two in the best of union" Prophet's sws dua'
Marriage is a life time bondage and one needs to sacrifice in order to keep this. You can see the difference in relations between the eastern and western society for that matter. Where people feel there's no need to suffer/sacrifice for eachother, broken families result.
Have posted your query and will let you know when reply comes from islamic scholars
In the meantime plz see
http://www.studying-islam.org/querytext.aspx?id=25
wassalaam 'n regards
henna
Dr.HKhan
for free internet courses on Islam visit
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Edited by: hkhan on Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:14 AM |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Saturday, November 20, 2004 - 7:35 AM
Asallamu Alaykum
I would like to mention a couple of points.
Firstly I fully appreciate that at a very young age of 18 you seem to be coping with a lot of pressure.Lokking after your mother,illness of your wife and her estranged behaviour and full time education.The miscarrige will affect you as well.
However, my personal opinion is that this is not the time to judge or make decisions about leaving your wife.You will not do justice to your marrige or her.She is suffering from what in lay man term can be called a "nervous breakdown". her responses and behaviour do not reflect her true feelings. I would also like to add that at present she needs support and not judgement.
You need to have some mental support yourself,do you have an older person in your family that you ca speak to?
I always read the last few verses of Surah Baqrah in times of trouble and take inspiration from them.verse 286. Allah does not put a burden on anyone's shoulders beyond their means.For it (is only) that which it hath earned, and against it(only) that which it hath earned.Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget,or miss the mark! Our Lord Lay not on us such a burden as Thou didst lay on those before us! Our Lord! impose not on us that which we have not the strengthto bear! Pardon us, absolve us and have mercy on us.Thou, our protector, and give us victory over the disbelieving folk."
I also quote Surah AL-Nashrah.what Allah said to the Holy Prophet sws.
" But Lo! with hardship goeth ease.Lo! with hardship goeth ease."
My brother1 Life is a test for us to earn an everlasting life in paradise.Please do not make a hasty decision. A muslims way is prayers and patience.Patience is the biggest action and the most favoured and liked by Allah. It is bigger than Jehad or Holy war.I am fully aware that at this moment you have a seemingly easy choice to give up and a difficult one to hang in.Do not choose the short cut. Our prayers and wishes are with you and May Allah find the right way and have Mercy on all of us. |
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iqbappi
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Sunday, November 21, 2004 - 4:36 PM
assalam u allekum
the case under discussion seems to be a case of conversion & dissociative disorder. she might be having these symptoms secondary to depressive illness.she must consult a psychiatrist |
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Monday, November 22, 2004 - 9:52 AM
Many thnx Dr. Waseem and Dr. Iqbal for your valuable comments and j.k.
I'll make sure that the person is aware of your replies. |
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FARZANA
PAKISTAN
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 Posted - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 5:37 AM
Dea sir/madam
Your wife needs medical or psychological attention .Your is not clear written .No proper reasons are given .Firstly feed your wife with balanced diet .Recite Quran with translation and explanation ,offer prayers regularly. Pay sadqa .Make sure you donot waste Blessings of Allah.Take recorded cassettes of Qari Najmi ,the cassettes include his recitation of Quran.
Develop sence of security and confidence ,family love and care .Listen to her past experinces |
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Posted - Tuesday, November 23, 2004 - 11:19 AM
assalamu alaykum and many thnx dear Farzana.The couple is aware and has seen the Link. Am hoping to see them and have a good collection now from you all to revise with them, as this is not a part of my speciality at all 
In a message dated 22/11/2004 22:08:05 GMT Standard Time, @hotmail.com writes:
Sallam-Alkum
Thank you very much sis henna, i have realised that Patience is the key in this situation… I am going to persuade her to go to doctors and speak to the GP and me going along... one thing that i am worried about is ----- mother was saying ‘that if ------- does decide to go to the GP she was saying when ----------- while -------------was fainted (not her usual state)she was speaking (which the family claim it was a jinn) ifet was saying ‘I am going to tell the doctor False information which would not refer to her condition she is in’ for example she may say I do not want to live with my family any more’ I think the mother maybe worried that the GP may refer her to a hostel or something similar where the family can not see ----------The family is saying when she is not her usual such as when the family say it is not------------ but the jinn that has taken control of her and is doing hilarious things such an act such as she is trying to set the fire to the house, trying to jump out the window by running away, saying bizarre and ridiculous things..
I was very shocked when I heard and saw that when ----------was not in her usual state she actually broke one of her bangle (jewellery that is wore on the hand) and wrote on her arm ------------which the family say it was the jinn that wrote that on her arm using her body to do that with the bangle. Her arm was and still is showing the actual cut that is healing which show the word -----------------. ------------at the time said the Jinn did this at the time I did not feel the pain while the bangle was being digged in her arm writhing the word ---------------- which she say it the Jinns name. But later on the day she was saying her arm is stinging her where the cut was made which obviously would because a cut like that would sting.
She does not agree about the doctors I was thinking if u are able to talk to her and reassure that by going to doctors they want harm in any way but to help her. She thinks the doctors might look her up in a mental institution. I explained to her that they will only try to help by finding out the problems is they would not send you somewhere far where you would be looked up.
Sister Henna if you are able to talk to her that would be very helpful… she does not have internet facility where she lives nor do I, I use the schools internet facility. Sis Henna thanx for getting an scholars opinion.
Wassallam
K
Edited by: hkhan on Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:44 AM |
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surgeonakhlaq
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, November 24, 2004 - 8:48 PM
Assalaamu’alaikum,
Quote: And is doing hilarious things such an act such as she is trying to set the fire to the house, trying to jump out the window by running away, saying bizarre and ridiculous things.
1.I agree with all those who have diagnosed as a psychiatrist illness. The present situation as quoted above is an absolute and strong indication of admission of the patient to a hospital. She will not agree because she is a patient. It can be done with the help of a psychiatrist.
2.During hospitalisation, all the causes of brain oedema may be ruled out which is another important cause of fluctuating level of consciousness and such type of the behaviour, which is often missed. Chances are rare in this case but can be included in the differential diagnosis.
I advise her husband not to lose the patience, as it is his responsibility to take care of her. Do not worry, as it is a treatable problem and she will recover completely very soon.
May Allah improve her, his and their problem? |
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 4:49 AM
many thnx/j.k. Dear Surgeon Akhlaq for the precious input. Noted.
Have spoken to them and the lady has agreed to see a psychiatrist.
Luckily we also have a muslim Pakistani lady in the area who does islamic psychological counselling and has been awarded an award of excellency by the area borough council for treating many comlicted cases lingering for years. Have informed them about her. |
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:26 AM
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StudyingIslamUK
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, February 1, 2006 - 1:44 AM
AA
Please could any one help me with contacts for the following:
child/family psychologist, preferably but not essentially Muslim, who you feel would be able to deliver a talk/ work shop on the subject of child development.(in UK)
Khalid
khalidanees@hotmail.com
Edited by: studyingislamuk on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:04 AM |
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Monday, August 11, 2008 - 7:12 AM
robert is one of our nice buddhist faith partners.he understands that alhamdulillah we already hv a system of meditation and spirituality in our worship rituals which tackles depression & other such issues v well 'coz we also believe that a fraction of such comes from satan. however rob wishes we see wat he has to offer as well,
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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StudyingIslamUK
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 8:13 AM
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