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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Topic initiated on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 9:24 AM 
Issues pertaining to namaz
I would like to ask the views of my learned particpants on the following.
1. How do we define and explain sunnat i mokida, sunnat i gher mokida, nafal, farz namaz pertaing to namaz?
2. What do we think are the essential and accountable and mandatory rakaat in namaz?
3.Was namaz i tarawi offered in the time of prophet pbuh, what is its historical origin?
4. What is the literal definition of witr namaz. Is it essential? what is wajib namaz compared with farz and sunnat namaz. |
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ibrahim
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, March 16, 2007 - 7:02 AM 
here r my Short Answers Just to Start a +ve Discussion:
A1. It's a Term given by Fiqhi Scholors. According to my understanding, All Regular Additional (Nafal) actions of Prophet pbuh will Fall in the Category of "sunnat e muakkida" & irregular r called "sunnat i ghair muakkida", whereas Nafal Rak'aat r those that our prophet has NEVER offered while "Farz" are the Essential & Mandatory Ones for which One is accountable for.
A2. No .of Obligatory Rak'aat is: 2,4,4,3&4
A3. No, Holy Prophet NEVER offered any SUCH prayer. He always Offered his Tahajjud Prayer (that was Compulsory 4 him) & he offered it in ramadan too & according to some Ahadith, he Offered it w Jama'at for three continuous nights of Ramadan.
& In the Era of Hazrat Umar rta, He Advised People to Offer it in Ramadan in an ORGANISED manner led by an Imam instead of offering it Individually or in small Groups.
I'm Not sure when this Prayer was named as "Taraweeh"
A4. Witr means an ODD no. & when one wants to Finish the Tahajjud prayer S/He needs to make the No of Rak'aat an ODD number. So the Last 1/3/5 ... Rak'aat r Called "witr". Since it is a Part of Tahajjud prayer so its Status is Same as of Tahajjud is.
A5. Wajib is another Fiqhi Term & according to them Practically there is NO diff. between the TWO though some minor technical diff. is present. |
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Rakhtal
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, March 16, 2007 - 9:20 AM
what is Qura'nic evidence??
Edited by: ibrahim on Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:42 AM |
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ibrahim
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, March 17, 2007 - 6:12 AM
We r Trying our Best to convey you All this v IMPORTANT point that:
in ALL "Sunan" (Practical matters of Islam) Muslim Ummah Does NOT need any EVIDENCE from Quran. they JUST need the "Ijmaa" (Consensus) & "Tawaatur" (continuity) JUST like they Need these TWO for the Whole Quran.
To understand the Above Point I wud like to Raise another Imp. Question & that is:
What is the proof with You People that the Quran that you HAVE in your Hands TODAY is the SAME Holy Quran that was Revealed to our Beloved prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?
Edited by: ibrahim on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:59 AM |
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Rakhtal
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Sunday, March 18, 2007 - 9:05 AM
Anyhow, noble Qura’n is the only guideline. So what is the Qura’nic evidence to support your whim and the wishful thinking - "Ijmaa" (Consensus) & "Tawaatur" (continuity)?
Honestly, go through theMathematical Miracle of Qura’n, you will certainly find the answer.
If you are not WRONG, answer these questions.
1. If you believe in the wrong concept like "Tawaatur" (continuity) about the same copy of Qura’n, What is the criteria of authentication of it (Tawaatur)?
2. How you believe that the message to you conveyed today through "Tawaatur" (continuity) is the same as was more than 14 and a quarter centuries ago?
Edited by: ibrahim on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:04 AM |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:38 AM
Quote:-Honestly, go through theMathematical Miracle of Qura’n, you will certainly find the answer.
The word "Mathematical Miracle"never appear in Quran.Futher more the calculations of MM are also not found in Quran.It is a source which came from out side the Quran and man made.
So you believe in man made stuff and not just Quran?
Your qoute:-what is Qura'nic evidence??
If you yours self following man made stuff without any prove from Quran,why blaming others? |
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ibrahim
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Monday, March 19, 2007 - 6:58 AM
Jazakallah Br Usmaniquote:
Anyhow, noble Qura’n is the only guideline. So what is the Qura’nic evidence to support your whim and the wishful thinking - "Ijmaa" (Consensus) & "Tawaatur" (continuity)?
So what is the evidence U pepole HAVE in support of your whim and the wishful thinking i.e. Qura’n is the ONLY guideline.
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Honestly, go through theMathematical Miracle of Qura’n, you will certainly find the answer.
well this Mathematical Miracle of Qura’n is Invented by YOU people & it's NOT a GOD given. What HISTORICAL proof U people HAVE to CLAIM that this Quran is exactly the SAME that was Revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?
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If you are not WRONG, answer these questions.
1. If you believe in the wrong concept like "Tawaatur" (continuity) about the same copy of Qura’n, What is the criteria of authentication of it (Tawaatur)?
2. How you believe that the message to you conveyed today through "Tawaatur" (continuity) is the same as was more than 14 and a quarter centuries ago?
Ans of BOTH Q is SAME.
The concept of "Tawaatur" is NOT wrong as it's an Established Historical FACT & it does NOT NEED any "criteria of authentication".
If U r Really SERIOUS in understanding THIS ISSUE then Plzzzzzzzz. Join our Course "History of the Quran" (http://www.studying-islam.org/coursedetail.aspx?ccode=DLC/Q/2) & plzzz STUDY v Carefully its Last Module (no.5) & THEN critisize as Much as You can:
Contents of Module 5
2. Transmission of the Quran
Section I: Transmission of Texts
i. Person-to-Person Transmission
a. General Introduction
1. Information on Narrators
2. Continuity
3. Verbal Coincidence
b. Degree of Authenticity
ii. Generation-to-Generation Transmission
a. General Introduction
b. Degree of Authenticity
Section II: The Case of the Holy Quran
We Always WELCOME all Academic Criticism
Edited by: ibrahim on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:06 AM |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 7:20 AM
Linguistically fard means to decree, whilst in the Shari`a, it denotes that which is delineated in such a manner that no increase or decrease is possible. The command of a fard is communicated by a definite (qat`i) text wherein there is no ambiguity, clear and specific. To act upon it and to believe in it is binding. , Another distinction is that one who refuses to believe in a fard such as salah or zakah is rendered an unbeliever.
The term wajib, when used in a non-Shari` context, has the connotation of ‘necessary.Wajib means obligatory, as does fard, but according to the Hanafis, they are distinguished based upon the strength of the evidence they are established upon. The difference between the two is rooted theology. If one denies a fard, they are considered a kafir, but not so if they deny a wajib
Sunna mu`akkada (emphatic sunna) is an act upheld by the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) perpetually whilst letting it be known that its performance is not fard, such as the two rak`ahs before the fard of the fajr prayer and after zuhr, maghrib and `isha’. The abandonment of a sunna mu`akkada (emphatic sunna) is not punishable, but nevertheless the perpetrator will be reproached, because its omission would be tantamount to opposing that which the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) perpetuated.
The giving of non-obligatory charity for one who is capable, the four rak`ahs before `asr and `isha’ are sunna ghayr mu`akkada, namely, actions which the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) did not perform perpetually. It is also referred to as mustahab. |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, March 20, 2007 - 7:29 AM
Assalaamu Alaykum brother Rakhtal
The Qur'an near its beginning states Zaa likal kitabu La raeba feeh. It is our belief that Allah endowed his prophets with different miracles,Moses pbuh had a staff, Eisa pbuh could heal the ill, the miracle for prophet pbuh was the Qur'an. The muslims believe that Allah has taken responsibility for the protection of the Qur'an.
Numericals do not prove the authencity of Qur'an. What about the belief of people who have died without this knoweldge of numericals and even today, who are not educated or educated enough. Are we saying that the true belief of Qur'an can only be had by those who understand and appreciate mathemetics. |
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Rakhtal
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Monday, March 26, 2007 - 6:45 PM
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The word "Mathematical Miracle"never appear in Quran.Futher more the calculations of MM are also not found in Quran.It is a source which came from out side the Quran and man made.
So you believe in man made stuff and not just Quran?
Usmani, if you can not have access to the KNOWLEDGE, do not argue!!!
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The concept of "Tawaatur" is NOT wrong as it's an Established Historical FACT & it does NOT NEED any "criteria of authentication".
Ibrahim,You are wrong!! You could not prove the basis of authentication of "Tawaatur". Any Twaatur is prone to a lot of errors. |
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ibrahim
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 9:29 AM
Rakhtal, Plz GIVE me a SINGLE Example to Proof ur Statement that:
"Any Twaatur is prone to a lot of errors" |
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Rakhtal
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 7:02 PM
| Before you see a list of the example, explain the BASIS of authentication of any so called Tawaatur. |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 8:46 PM
Quote:-Usmani, if you can not have access to the KNOWLEDGE, do not argue!!!
Which knowledge you are talking about,man made? or from God? please clerify? |
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Rakhtal
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 9:00 PM
| Isn't so called the process of Twaatur man-made, if you are so much curious? |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 4:49 AM
I am not denying it and have understanding that any of Prophet(pbuh) sayings came to us with twaatur and if it is for the following for ummah,so it is for me as important as Quran.
That what you are saying to us and asking for evidence from Quran.
If I am doing mistake by following another source beside Quran so your case is worst than mine.
I don't need any thing to believe in Quran that it is the same as was there in Prophet(pbuh) time.But you need to take help from Mathematical Miracle of Quran(the man made) to prove it.
I wish to ask one thing here, are you the same Rakhtal who used to support me in various forum? or you are a diffrent Rakhtal.
Regards, |
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ibrahim
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 6:14 AM
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Before you see a list of the example, explain the BASIS of authentication of any so called Tawaatur.
Well, I've told you Earlier that "Tawaatur" needs NO authentication Bcoz there is Nothing MORE authentic in this World than a Tawaatur.
For Example How authentic is Quran in your Opinion? It's the Best Example of Tawaatur & in Fact All Examples of Tawaatur r as authentic as Quran is. That's Y I always ASK all people Like U, that if not VIA Tawaatur the How this 1428 yr OLD Quran has Reached in your Hands?
I wud Request that if U r Really Interested in understanig OUR point of View at LEAST, then plz plz plz Go thru the Above mentioned Module/Topic & then criticize on it. Thanks |
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