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samsher

INDIA
Topic initiated on Thursday, January 5, 2012  -  8:34 AM Reply with quote
If the Qur’an is Fully Detailed where are the


If the Qur’an is Fully Detailed where are the details for ...?

This is something I come across all the time. It manifests itself in questions like: -

• Where are all the details of salaah?
• Where are all the details of Hajj?
• Where are all the details of the allowed and forbidden foods?
• Where are all the details on how much zakaah to pay?
• Etc etc

The fundamental error is all such questions is that it is assumed that whatever is currently accepted as Islamic practice is necessarily correct or even required. What then happens is that the completeness of the Qur‟an is not judged by its own testimony and contents; rather, it is judged by the accepted practices which should have been derived from the Qur‟an in the first place! This trend is old, among Muslims and those before them

The correct question is, “Are the current practices of Muslims derived from the Qur‟an?”
saba2
Moderator

PAKISTAN
Posted - Thursday, January 5, 2012  -  12:01 PM Reply with quote
Well will you please answer your own question.
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Friday, January 6, 2012  -  8:17 AM Reply with quote
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Well will you please answer your own question.


Salam,

It is told by Almighty God in the Qur’an that ;-

i) Qur’an is FULLY DETAILED, PERFECT, COMPLETE (6:114-115)
ii) Qur’an is the Criterion (25:1)

Then, we should not hesitate to accept the above facts and we should JUDGE EVERYTHING, which is called Islamic, BY THE QUR’AN. If QUR’AN does not support any Islamic ritual or does not support any part(s) of current Islamic practices, then surely we should not called them Islamic/Islam.


Samsher
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Friday, January 6, 2012  -  8:25 AM Reply with quote
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Well will you please answer your own question.


I don't think so. Do you think?

Samsher
saba2
Moderator

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, January 6, 2012  -  10:52 AM Reply with quote
Oh yes why not? eg. you can quote from the Quran what is said about Hajj, Zakat, food etc. and maybe leave it at that. Let someone else post why we practice as we do now.
naveedulislam

USA
Posted - Friday, January 27, 2012  -  2:31 PM Reply with quote
All the dfetails are available in Quran for Salah, hajj and Zakah. One needs to look at Quran in depth and in breadth with a knowledhe of Arabic. I will post details after february 10, 2012
saba2
Moderator

PAKISTAN
Posted - Sunday, March 11, 2012  -  2:15 PM Reply with quote
Naveed and Samsher we are waiting .
I know you both must be busy or occupied with work but please do post here.
Sanwal

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, March 20, 2012  -  12:51 PM Reply with quote
The complete answer may be well found by going through the posts of sksamsher in the thread Quran and Sunnah of this dicussion forum.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Saturday, April 21, 2012  -  3:34 AM Reply with quote
quote:

quote:

Well will you please answer your own question.


Salam,

It is told by Almighty God in the Qur’an that ;-

i) Qur’an is FULLY DETAILED, PERFECT, COMPLETE (6:114-115)
ii) Qur’an is the Criterion (25:1)

Then, we should not hesitate to accept the above facts and we should JUDGE EVERYTHING, which is called Islamic, BY THE QUR’AN. If QUR’AN does not support any Islamic ritual or does not support any part(s) of current Islamic practices, then surely we should not called them Islamic/Islam.

Samsher


Allah says: (translation of menings) "And We have sent down unto You the Message so that you may explain clearly to men what is sent for them." [An-Nahal, 16:44].
And He says: (translation of menings) "Allah did confer a great favor on the Believers when He sent among them a Messenger from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs (Verses) of Allah, purifying them, instructing them in Scripture, and ]teaching them Wisdom. While before that they were in manifest error." [A'ale Imran 3:164].

Thus we understand that the Prophet Sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam was not just a postman who just delivered the book and went away. The above verses explain the duties that the Prophet had to perform and which he did perform.

Who understood deen better - the early muslims or 'modernist' muslims?

Then take the meanings of the Qur'an as understood by the early Muslims.

Where were your illogical and irrational underdeveloped minds before 150 yrs?

Why only they popped up during British rule in India in the form of Parvezis and Qadianis?

Why is there no trace of Parvezis from other parts of world except Pakistan?

Why don't they come up for an open debate?Why have they used the medium of internet?

Why do they hide and deceive people with fake IDs'?

Why do they quote out of context, incomplete hadith with no references?

Where were they for 12 centuries of Islamic history?


Edited by: aboosait on Saturday, April 21, 2012 3:36 AM
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Saturday, April 21, 2012  -  4:44 AM Reply with quote
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........... look at Quran in depth and in breadth with a knowledge of Arabic.........
Mere knowledge of Arabic is not sufficient to understand the meanings of the Qur'an because an Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on the context. Therefore you should study the historical background of each Verse from authentic books of Hadith.

The Prophet, sallallahu alaihi wasallam, said: "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].




Edited by: aboosait on Saturday, April 21, 2012 5:09 AM
abunoman

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, April 27, 2012  -  10:37 AM Reply with quote
Qur’an is the words of Allah and unchallengeable base of Islamic shariah (the Islamic laws). It provides the basic principles; how to worship Allah, what good deeds are to be done to please Allah and what are to be avoided to get rid of hell fire.
The Almighty Allah has mentioned, in Qur’an, only the comprehensive issues, general rules, directives and concise rulings. One should be mindful that Qur'an does not contain a detailed description for every Islamic issue or instruction; otherwise, the Qur'an would have been so voluminous that no one could read or memorize it.
It is a hard fact that one can’t understand and catch the real essence of Qur’an without any support or guidance. Now the question is what sort of support or guidance is required to understand holy Qur’an. The answer is provided in Qur’an itself in which Allah says:


Just as We have sent among you a messenger from yourselves reciting to you Our verses and purifying you and teaching you ‘The Book’ and The Hikmah (Wisdom) and teaching you that which you did not know. (2:151)
In this verse ‘The Book’ refers to the Qur’an and the ‘Hikmah’ according to all exegists and the translators refers to hadith and Sunnah
Allah says;
“Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. It is not but a ‘wahi’ (revelation) revealed”. (An-Najm 53:3,4)
Thus Qur’an and Sunnah fall under a common title ‘wahi’ (the revelation). The apparent difference between the two is that Qur’an is a revelation that is recited in the formal prayers (salat) while the Sunnah is not recited. The highest degree of commonality between Qur’an and Sunnah is that both them are the most primary sources of ‘Shariah’ – the Islamic laws.

There is not a single iota of doubt that the Prophet sws used to receive revelations from Allah swt either directly or through the most noble angel ‘Jibraeel’. A part of the revelations was preserved word by word under the title of Qur’an, while other revelations were carefully preserved by the Companions rta under the title of Sunnah of Prophet sws.

Umm al Momineen Aisha rta was once asked; “What was the character of the Prophet sws”? She rta replied; “His sws character was nothing but the Qur’an”. Thus the Prophet sws was a complete representation of Qur’an itself, whatever he sws said or practiced i.e. the Sunnah is related to the guidance of Qur’an.

Almighty Allah Himself, in Qur’an, has emphasized the importance of Sunnah in many verses;

1- O ! you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result. (An-Nisa 4:59)

2- But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission. (An-Nisa’ 4:65)

3- The only statement of the [true] believers when they are called to Allah and His Messenger to judge between them is that they say, "We hear and we obey." And those are the successful. (Al-Nur 24:51)

4- And whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty. (Al-Hasher 59:7)

The teachings of Islam contained in the Qur’ān consist of core guidance. Details and application of all the injunctions have not been provided in the Holy Book. These things have been left for the Prophet (sws) to explain. The entire structure of Islam is built on the building blocks of the Sunnah of the Prophet (sws). The Qur’ān, for example, only gives basic directives regarding the ritual Prayer, fast, hajj, zakāh and other rites and rituals. However, none of these directives have been explained in any detail in the Qur’an. So much so we do not find even necessary details regarding, for example, timings and units of the ritual prayer – the most important religious injunction. The case of other worship rituals and directives is also not different. This shows that the Qur’ān can only be clarified and explained with the help of the Sunnah. This is precisely for the same reason the Prophet (sws) said:

“Beware, I have been granted the Qur’ān and with it ‘something’ similar to it.” (Abū Dāwūd, No: 4604) This ‘something’ refers to Sunnah.
Thus to follow the Sunnah is as necessary as to follow Qur’ān itself. God Almighty sent the Prophet (sws) to make the Qur’ān clear. He is the best exemplar who sets paradigmatic example of the Qur’ānic teachings.

It is very unfortunate that some people of the modern age started thinking that Qur’an is the only source of Islam and they started rejecting hadith/sunnah. These hadith/sunnah rejectors are named as ‘Munkareen-e-hadith, Ahl al-Qur’an, Perwaizee, Qur’anities or Qur’anists’.

Believes of Ahl al-Qur’an:

1. The shahada (statement of faith). The Qur'an only mentions 'lâ ilâha illallâh' so in general most Quranist followers, but not all, say 'lâ ilâha illallâh' (No God but God) rather than the Sunni lâ ilâha illallâh, Muḥammadur rasûlullâh (no god but God, Muhammad is His Prophet).

2 A menstruating Quranist woman may perform salat (prayer), enter a mosque and touch a Qur’an.

3 Quranists differ amongst themselves regarding number of prayers. Some pray 2 times a day, some 3 and some 5 times a day.

4 Regarding Zakat, the Quranists are of the opinion that what is ‘excess’ should be given as Zakat, believing not 2.5%.

5 Munkareen-e-hadith do not believe in Circumcision, as per explanations of ayahs 95:4 and 4:119.

6 For Ahl al-Qur’an hijabs or beards are not necessary.

7 Quranists generally do not believe in the emergence of the Imam Mahdi or dajjal, since they're not mentioned in the Quran.

8 Quranists can eat food produced by Christians and Jews, as instructed in surah 5:5.

9 Quranists can eat/drink with both hands, as there are no prohibitions on eating with your left hand in the Quran.

10 Quranists object to touching the black stone of the ‘kaaba’ during hajj or umrah, however all Quranists agree that it is not to be accorded any sort of special veneration or respect apart from the rest of the Kaaba. Hajj according to some Quranists is a 4 month long season.

11. Not all Quranists attend the Friday prayer or believe it to be obligatory, even if they may not object to the practice.

12 Quranists reject the ‘hudood’ for following offences and crimes:

• The death penalty for apostates
• Stoning for adultery. Instead, Quranists follow the quran's prescribed punishment of 100 lashings.
• Death penalty of homosexuals.

Abdullah Chakralwi ( a 19th century movement leader of India), his student Chiragh Ali and Ghulam Ahmad Perwaiz ( an Indian civil servant) are notable Quranists from Indo-Pakistan sub-continent. Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and Hasrat Mohani were also impressed by Quranists ideology.

Ahmad Subhy Mansoor (Egypt), Edip Yaksel (Turkey), Muhammad Shahrour (Syria) and Kassium Ahmed (Malaysia) are other notables responsible for misleading Muslims in other parts of the world.


aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Saturday, April 28, 2012  -  6:40 AM Reply with quote
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Qur’an is the words of Allah and unchallengeable base of Islamic shariah (the Islamic laws)...........

............to follow the Sunnah is as necessary as to follow Qur’ān itself. God Almighty sent the Prophet (sws) to make the Qur’ān clear. He is the best exemplar who sets paradigmatic example of the Qur’ānic teachings. ..........

.........These hadith/sunnah rejectors are named as ‘Munkareen-e-hadith, Ahl al-Qur’an, Perwaizee, Qur’anities or Qur’anists’.
.............
Jazakallahu khair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJB2ZhMvic
Mazhara

PAKISTAN
Posted - Saturday, April 28, 2012  -  5:53 PM Reply with quote
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Mere knowledge of Arabic is not sufficient to understand the meanings of the Qur'an because an Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on the context.


This is the understanding of either those who do not know the basics of Arabic or of those who do not wish to go by Qur'aan but according to their own preconceived notions.
Every Arabic word is unique, and has specific, predetermined meanings.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Sunday, April 29, 2012  -  9:39 AM Reply with quote
quote:


Every Arabic word is unique, and has specific, predetermined meanings.
An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on the context. Therefore you should study the historical background of each Verse from authentic books of Hadith.

The Prophet, sallallahu alaihi wasallam, said: "I am leaving you two things and you will never go astray as long as you cling to them -- they are the Book of Allah and my Sunnah." [Reported by Al- Haakim - Sahih].

http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/lastserm.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gupqrEQI9dI&;feature=endscreen


Edited by: aboosait on Sunday, April 29, 2012 10:13 AM
Mazhara

PAKISTAN
Posted - Sunday, April 29, 2012  -  2:20 PM Reply with quote
quote:


quote:

Every Arabic word is unique, and has specific, predetermined meanings.



quote:

An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on the context. Therefore you should study the historical background of each Verse from authentic books of Hadith.


Qur'aan calls such approach as that of cattle who keep regurgitating.

Which hadith gives background of each verse?

It is stupid argument of those who neither know Qur'aan and equally do not know even what hadith actually mean.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Thursday, May 3, 2012  -  3:08 AM Reply with quote
quote:

Which hadith gives background of each verse?
You have quoted my answer to that question from my previous post and then asked the question. Funny.

"An Arabic word may have a range of meanings depending on the context. Therefore you should study the historical background of each Verse from authentic books of Hadith".
quote:

It is stupid argument ......
Mind your words.

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