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oosman
USA
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 Topic initiated on Thursday, November 16, 2006 - 8:35 PM 
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aboosait
INDIA
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 1:45 AM 
| Oosman, you are introducing some website or will you write something on the topic which you have initiated? |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 4:56 AM
| If you can, if your computer connection allowws it, then watch the video on the link. It is scary and gives me the creeps. How can we call Islam a religion of peace when Muslims with guns claim they want to drink the blood of Jews, and call them descendants of pigs and apes. Is this what Islam teaches these people to do? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 6:27 AM
| brother! True muslims are only accountable to defend the true interpretation of the Qur'an,individual interpretations cannot be defended by us.A Muslim must look at himself in the mirror and deliberate, if after reading the Qur'an, he believes that this is his understanding of Islam. |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 6:44 AM
I was thinking that how could be some one such a blind after reading the above post of Oosman.These were the Jews who occupied their land years ago and since then they are killing their innocent people, their children, their women and so on.What happening with them we knows that and we also feel the pain.This is a natural reaction what they are saying and the way they fighting back with Jews in these circumstances.
Just try to realize that since they born there they are seeing them self in a war situationThey see that there is a occupied force which have all the support of west specilly USA.On the other hand Muslims are not helping them as USA helping Israel.Every day they see that Their people are being killed by occupied forces.There might be their own family members were killed.
If they are breaking some Islamic laws there so Allah will judged them according to their situation they are and we will be judged according to the situation we are.So if any one are not helping them by any means so he has no right to criticize them as well. |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 8:05 AM
| you are right usmani790. however what do you say to someone non-muslim and he asks you is this the religion of peace? |
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aboosait
INDIA
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 8:58 AM
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however what do you say to someone non-muslim and he asks you is this the religion of peace?
I agree with usmani790 |
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usmani790
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 11:07 AM
Oosman
Islam is this religion of peace.Take the example of Palestine, non muslims too much criticize on suicide bombers that they are killing the innocents people in Israel.They don’t realize or may be don’t want to realize that these innocents of Israel are living in Palestine occupied land.Why don’t they leave Israel and go from where they came here.
This is the land belong to Palestine people, they have every right to used the force to vacate their place.Their life is made miserable there by these occupied forces of Israel.Why don’t they criticize on Israeli forces who are doing the worst job than the sucide bomber of Plastine even being a trained force.
This is what the media did,they made terrorist people fighting for their land and the actual terrorist, the occupier of other's land made innocent by the Western media. |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 3:51 PM
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Why don’t they leave Israel and go from where they came here.
This is the land belong to Palestine people, they have every right to used the force to vacate their place.
So you are saying it is ok for the palestinians to kill jewish children and drink their blood who live on occupied lands? And doing that in the name of Islam is acceptable to you?
Muslims will never win this war or may never get Allah's much needed help if they keep abusing Islam and breaking the fundamental principles of Islam.
Have we Muslims forgotten what Allah commands?
O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allâh and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is WellAcquainted with what you do. Quran 5.8
These people in the video clearly demonstrate how their hatred for the occupiers has taken over and them; how they are full of revenge, and they use Islam to rationalize their irrationality. The path they have adopted will lead to more death and destruction and losses. These people need our help, that we must correct them.
Have Muslims forgotten they cannot take innocent lives?
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land! Quran 5.32 |
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aboosait
INDIA
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Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006 - 4:44 PM
| anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 1:21 PM
We should all remmember:
O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allâh and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Well Acquainted with what you do. Quran 5.8
Do not let your hatred drive you into becoming baby killers of Jews, and remember there are Jews who are on the side of peace and justice, so do not hate them:
Do not be like the ones who thought they did good all their lives, yet they got cast into Hell because they were wrong, they were gravely mistaken.
Edited by: oosman on Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:23 PM |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 1:24 PM
| O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allâh and be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety, and fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is Well Acquainted with what you do. Quran 5.8 |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 1:43 PM
I fear Allah and the Fire whose fuel are men and stones.
My heart bleeds for the victims of Zionism.
This is my web-page:
http://album.zavaj.com/suffering/Israel%20Palestine%20conflict/
and so is this one:
http://album.zavaj.com/suffering/Lebanon/
I have archived the terrorism of the Zionists here.
Still I feel that Muslims should use compassion, mercy and cool headedness to deal with Zionist. Allah commmands us not to let hatred drive us away from justice. There is no excuse for randomly killing Jews, especially children who were born in the occupied lands. What is the fault of these little children that suicide bombers kill?
How is this cycle of revenge and murder going to help the Muslims?
We need to look at the Ottomans and Caliph Omer's time how Muslims,Jews,Christians lived peacefully side by side. That is the only way.
Edited by: oosman on Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:45 PM |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 1:46 PM
| what are you then, an armchair warrior? |
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oosman
USA
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Posted - Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 1:54 PM
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the ottomans were stupid, they should never have given power to the jews and christians. inh any way.
No, they were not stupid. The problem started when they got corrupt and engrossed in the pleasures of life. Then the Arabs helped the British to defeat the Ottomans. And the Arabs were fooled by the British, the British did not give the Arabs the holy lands like they had promised in exchange for Arab help. What can one expect, any Muslim who sides with non-Muslims, he is like them and a looser.
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oosman. wallahi, there is something so wrong with you its plain infuriating.
You need to look at yourself. You are full of hate and revenge. I really feel pity for you. You think you are on the right path. You are so sure of it. You are so full of hate. I urge you think again about your ways. Do you think it will be acceptable to Allah if you ever kill Jewish babies?
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I cannot think of a word derogatory enough for you, even though i have very good vocabulary.
That is good. Save your tongue from Hell. |
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raushan
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
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Posted - Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 2:17 PM
The Policy of Peace in Islam -
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According to the Prophet Muhammad, upon whom be peace, a believer is one with whom one can trust one’s life and property. That is because Islam is a religion of peace. The Qur’an calls its way ‘the paths of peace’ (5:16). It describes reconciliation as the best policy, (4:128) and states quite plainly that God abhors disturbance of the peace (2:205).
Yet, in this world, for one reason or the other, peace remains elusive. Differences—political and apolitical—keep on arising between individuals and groups, Muslims and non-Muslims. Whenever people refuse to be tolerant of these differences, insisting that they be rooted out the moment they arise, there is bound to be strife. Peace, as a result, can never prevail in this world.
One recent example is the ever-recurring conflict over Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a very ancient, historic city with a unique value for all the millions of people of different religious persuasions who believe it to be their very own Sacred Place. Jerusalem is, indeed, a symbol and center of inspiration for the three great Semitic religions of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. For Jews, it is a living proof of their ancient grandeur, and the pivot of their national history. For Christians, it is the scene of their Savior’s agony and triumph. For Muslims, it is the first halting place on the Prophet’s mystic journey, and also the site of one of Islam’s most sacred Shrines. Thus, for all three faiths, it is a center of pilgrimage, while for Muslims it is the third holiest place of worship.
Now the question arises as to how, when it is a place of worship for all three religions, it can be freely accessible to all. How can the adherents of all the three religions have the opportunity there to satisfy their religious feelings?
Nowadays, all around us, we hear the slogan: "Jerusalem is ours." The raising of this slogan by different parties clearly shows that each one desires political supremacy for itself. All the three believe that without political dominance over this sacred city, they cannot worship God in the proper sense of the word.
If the condition for visiting this sacred place were that only that person or group could visit it who enjoyed political dominance there, Jerusalem would be turned from a place of peaceful worship into a battlefield. As political power can be wielded by only one religious group at a time, the other two groups, who are not in power, will constantly be in opposition to it. In this way, a place which should remain perfectly ‘tranquil’ will be eternally rent by clash and confrontation. As a result, not even the group in power will have the opportunity to perform its religious rites in peace.
This is indeed a very practical and important question which demands a serious rethinking. I would like to deal here briefly with the position of Islam in this matter.
The first indirect reference to Jerusalem appears in the 17th Surah of the Qur’an. It says: ‘Glory be to Him who made His Servant go by night from the Sacred Mosque to the distant Mosque, whose precincts We have blessed, that we might show him some of Our Signs’ (17:1). Prior to the emigration in early 622, the Prophet Muhammad went on an extraordinary journey called Mi‘raj (Ascension) in the history of Islam. Through God’s unseen arrangement, this journey took the Prophet from Mecca to Jerusalem. There, according to the belief of the Muslims, he performed a prayer in congregation with all the Prophets who had been his forerunners at the holy site of al-Masjid al-Aqsa (al Bayt al-Maqdis).
Another reference to Jerusalem appears in one of the sayings of the Prophet recorded in all the six authentic books of Hadith with minor differences in wording. According to this tradition, there are only three mosques to which a journey may be lawfully made for the purpose of saying one’s prayers—al-Masjid al-Haram of Mecca, al-Masjid al-Nabi of Medina and al-Masjid al-Aqsa of Jerusalem. (Certain traditions use the name Masjid Ilia for the Masjid al-Aqsa in Palestine.) Yet another tradition tells us that there is a far greater reward for praying in these three mosques than in any other mosque.
We learn, however, from the Qur’an that in no part of the world can political power be wielded indefinitely by the same nation or group: ‘We bring these days to men by turns’ (3:140). Given that power changes hands from time to time between different communities, how are believers to worship at al-Masjid al-Aqsa? Whereas each Muslim has a natural desire to enter this mosque and prostrate himself before God as the Prophet Muhammad and the other Prophets did.
According to the Qur’an, political power, by the very law of nature, cannot forever remain with one nation. In that case, if this act of worship is linked with the notion that a Muslim can receive God’s blessings only when this land is under Muslim political rule, millions of Muslims would have had to bury this desire in their hearts and leave this world with this cherished desire unfulfilled, as it happened with the former Saudi king Faisal ibn Abdul Aziz (1906-1975). They would never have had, the unique experience of prostrating themselves before Almighty God at a place where the Prophet Muhammad, along with all the Prophets, had prostrated himself before his Lord.
What is the solution to this problem? Its solution lies in a practice (Sunnah) of the Prophet Muhammad: to separate the religious from the political aspect of the matter. This would enable men of religion to solve the problem by applying what is called ‘practical wisdom,’ that is, to avoid the present problems and grasp the available opportunities. By following this process, they would be able to fulfill their cherished religious desire of which they have been denied unnecessarily so far. In the process, they would be able to avoid confrontational situations. Here are some telling examples of this Sunnah of the Prophet.
The Prophet Muhammad emigrated from Mecca to Medina in July 622. For the first year and a half in Medina (i.e. till the end of 623) he and his companions prayed in the direction of al-Bayt al-Maqdis in Jerusalem. At the beginning of 624, the faithful, were enjoined, by Qur’anic revelation, to face in the direction of the Sacred Ka‘ba at Mecca to say their prayers (2:144).
When this injunction regarding the Qiblah (direction of prayer) was revealed, 360 idols were still in position in the Ka‘bah, at that time a long-established center of polytheism. The presence of these idols must certainly have made Muslims feel reluctant to face in the direction of the Ka‘bah at prayer time. How could believers in monotheism turn their faces towards what was, in effect, a structure strongly associated with polytheism? It is significant that along with the change of Qiblah came the injunction to treat this problem as a matter requiring patience, and not to hesitate in facing the Ka‘bah: "O believers, seek assistance in prayer. God is with those who are patient" (2:153).
As history tells us, this state of affairs continued for six long years, till the conquest of Mecca (630) when the Ka‘bah was cleared of idols. This establishes a very important principle of Islam which may be termed as Al-fasl bayn al-qaziyatayn, that is, the separation of two different facets of a problem from each other. According to this principle, the Ka‘bah and the idols were given separate consideration. By remaining patient on the issue of the presence of the idols, believers were able to accept the Ka‘bah as the direction for prayer.
Another such example is the above mentioned heavenly journey (Isra
or Mi‘raj undertaken by the Prophet before the emigration in 622. At that juncture, Jerusalem was ruled by Iranians, that is to say, by non-Muslims. The Iranian ruler, Khusroe Parvez, attacked Jerusalem in 614, wresting it from the Romans, who had governed it since 63 BC This political dominance of the Iranian empire ended only when the Roman Emperor Hercules defeated the Iranians and restored Roman rule over Jerusalem in 629.
This means that, before his emigration, the Prophet Muhammad entered Jerusalem on his Mi‘raj journey to say his prayer at the Masjid al-Aqsa at a time when the city was under the rule of a non-Muslim king. From this we derive the very important Sunnah of the Prophet that worship and politics practically belong to separate spheres, and, as such, should not be confused with one another.
The third example took place after the Hijrah in 629. At that
time, Mecca was entirely under the domination of the idolatrous Quraysh. In spite of that, the Prophet and his companions came to Mecca from Medina to spend three days there to perform Umrah (the minor pilgrimage) and the circumambulation of the Ka‘bah. This was possible solely because the Prophet did not mix worship with politics. If the Prophet had thought that Umra could be performed only when Mecca came under Muslim political rule, he would never have entered Mecca for worship along with his companions.
In the light of this Sunnah of the Prophet, the solution to the present problem of Jerusalem lies in separating the issue of worship from that of political supremacy. Muslims belonging to Palestine, or any other country, should be able to go freely to Jerusalem in order to pray to God in the Aqsa Mosque. Worship should be totally disassociated from political issues.
To sum it up, the only practical solution to the problem of Jerusalem, in present circumstances, is to apply the above principle of Al-fasl bayn al-qaziyatayn to this matter, that is, to keep the two aspects of a controversial issue separate from one another. There is no other possible solution to the problem of Jerusalem. We ought to keep the political aspect apart from its religious aspect so that no ideological barrier comes in the way of worship by the people, and the faithful are able to go to Jerusalem freely in order to satisfy their religious feelings. |
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