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aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Sunday, August 14, 2011  -  4:11 AM Reply with quote
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Quote:- samsher, please answer your own question w.r.t. your above statement.

Answer:- which question do you refer here brother?


Please scroll back and read the whole post under reference. I have quoted your question also.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Sunday, August 14, 2011  -  4:19 AM Reply with quote
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5:92 (Y. Ali) Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.

Answer:- I don’t find any difference between the discussion part of the translation. I wanted to say by quoting the verse in portion that ‘the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver/proclaim the message(quran).


If you dont know Arabic ask someone who knows the language.

Allah says,
...it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.

And you are misinterpreting it as ‘the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver/proclaim the message(quran).

FEAR ALLAH.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Sunday, August 14, 2011  -  4:26 AM Reply with quote
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...please try to listen the message of the following verses...;
So you have made your point clear that you will obey only the verses of your choice and discard what the other Verses command. This was how some of the previous generations went astray and Allah asks them " Is it that you believe in a portion of the Book and reject a portion"?
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, August 16, 2011  -  5:52 AM Reply with quote
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quote:

Quote:- samsher, please answer your own question w.r.t. your above statement.

Answer:- which question do you refer here brother?


Please scroll back and read the whole post under reference. I have quoted your question also.


Reply :- I have not time to read your nonsense story again & again. Please specify the question about which you pointed out.
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, August 16, 2011  -  7:00 AM Reply with quote
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quote:


5:92 (Y. Ali) Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.

Answer:- I don’t find any difference between the discussion part of the translation. I wanted to say by quoting the verse in portion that ‘the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver/proclaim the message(quran).


If you dont know Arabic ask someone who knows the language.

Allah says,
...it is Our Messenger's duty to proclaim (the message) in the clearest manner.

And you are misinterpreting it as ‘the sole duty of the messenger is to deliver/proclaim the message(quran).

FEAR ALLAH.


Reply:- Please read Marmaduke Pilthall's translation of the concerned verse;

PICKTHAL: Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if ye turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance (of the message (5:92).

Do you see the difference between your cherished translation and Pickthall's translation?

Now I ask you brother, did Pickthall know the Arabic well?

Now you should ask the Arabic knowing people whose translation is the most correct one.

I think that yusuf ali's trnaslation ofthe concerned verse is the corrupted one. He added the word 'clearest manner' to prove the claim of some hadith that prophet Muhammed had the power to explain the quran, which, according to Qur'an is wrong.

Besides the above, if any one say that 'prophet muhammed convey the message clearly to the people', that does not definitely mean that prophet muhammed added his own word to the message when he conveyed it to the people. Convey the message clearly means convey the measage as it is.

convey the message clearly = convey the message as it is.
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, August 16, 2011  -  7:06 AM Reply with quote
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quote:

...please try to listen the message of the following verses...;
So you have made your point clear that you will obey only the verses of your choice and discard what the other Verses command. This was how some of the previous generations went astray and Allah asks them " Is it that you believe in a portion of the Book and reject a portion"?


Reply:- Which command of the other verses of the Qur'an I discarded brother? Please give reference.
Sanwal

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, August 16, 2011  -  9:46 AM Reply with quote
Very nice brother samsher. I have the question to abousait.
Sanwal

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, August 16, 2011  -  9:55 AM Reply with quote
Same question of samsher.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, August 16, 2011  -  2:56 PM Reply with quote
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Which command of the other verses of the Qur'an I discarded brother? Please give reference.


In reply I would like to quote your own words:

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I have not time to read your nonsense story again & again.
Sanwal

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, August 16, 2011  -  3:33 PM Reply with quote
So you abousait could not produce the reference declaring yoursef well wrong.
Gazizia

BANGLADESH
Posted - Wednesday, August 17, 2011  -  5:18 PM Reply with quote
Salam, my brother.
I want to know that when Allah created universe. Please give me answer with sign of Quran and Hadith.
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Thursday, August 18, 2011  -  6:57 AM Reply with quote
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Which command of the other verses of the Qur'an I discarded brother? Please give reference.


In reply I would like to quote your own words:

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I have not time to read your nonsense story again & again.



quote:

quote:

Which command of the other verses of the Qur'an I discarded brother? Please give reference.


In reply I would like to quote your own words:

quote:

I have not time to read your nonsense story again & again.




I declare firmly that I did not/do not discard any verse of the Qur'an. If you think otherwise then you have to provide reference of that. You can also flee away without replying my question by hook or by crook. It is your right.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Thursday, August 18, 2011  -  3:43 PM Reply with quote
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I declare firmly that I did not/do not discard any verse of the Qur'an. .

Do you believe in or reject the following Verse?
[33:21] *Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much *.
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Friday, August 19, 2011  -  8:01 AM Reply with quote
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I declare firmly that I did not/do not discard any verse of the Qur'an. .

Do you believe in or reject the following Verse?
[33:21] *Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much *.


Reply:- What is the Good Example of Messenger according to you brother? Please provide reference from Qur'an in support of your opinion. I shall, InshAllah, describe this after receiving response from you.
samsher

INDIA
Posted - Friday, August 19, 2011  -  8:01 AM Reply with quote
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I declare firmly that I did not/do not discard any verse of the Qur'an. .

Do you believe in or reject the following Verse?
[33:21] *Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much *.


Reply:- What is the Good Example of Messenger according to you brother? Please provide reference from Qur'an in support of your opinion. I shall, InshAllah, describe this after receiving response from you.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Monday, August 22, 2011  -  2:21 AM Reply with quote
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.....What is the Good Example of Messenger according to you brother? Please provide reference from Qur'an in support of your opinion. ......


The Qur’an, being of a miraculous exposition, is never otiose nor exceeds the proper terms.

Allah says,


He Who raised among the unlettered ones a Messenger from them, reciting to them His signs, purifies them and instructs them in the Book and the Wisdom. (al-Jumu‘a, 62.2)

In the above Verse, "Wisdom" comes after "Book" as a separate word. Therefore it must refer to something different from the Book.

The Book is the Qur’an and the Wisdom is the Sunnah which expands on what is brief in the Book and clarifies its ambiguities, specifies what is unconditional and general and vice versa, so that general principles or specific rulings can be understood from what is commanded in the Qur’an.

The Qur’an in many verses enjoins absolute obedience to God’s Messengers. This obedience is not due to their person, but because of their mission as the ‘officials’ of God in guiding people to truth both individually and socially, materially, intellectually and spiritually.


We have not sent a Messenger save to be obeyed by God’s leave. (al-Nisa’, 4.64)

O you who believe! Obey God and His Messenger, and do not turn away from him. (al-Anfal, 8.20)

Obedience to God means unconditional obedience to His Commandments in the Qur’an and His laws in life and in the operation of the universe.

Obedience to the Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, is following his way in all the aspects of life, in practicing the Qur’an, and in all the orders of the Messenger besides the Qur’an.

The Sunnah contains all the orders and prohibitions, warnings and encouragements of God’s Messenger, who said: Take care! I have been given the Book and its like together with it.

Verse 20 of al-Anfal warns the Muslims not to turn away from the Messenger. Therefore, disobedience to the Sunnah, even belittling and criticizing it, amounts to heresy, even apostasy.

There are many other verses which emphasize the importance of the Sunnah, or following the ex-ample of God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings:


O you who believe! Obey God and obey the Messenger and those in authority from amongst you. (al-Nisa’, 4.59)

The verse stresses, besides obedience to God, obedience to God’s Messenger, and the repetition of the verb obey in the imperative mood points to the fact that the Messenger has the authority to command or forbid, and that the Muslims must carry out his commands and refrain from his prohibitions. Besides, where obedience to those in authority who share the same faith and feelings as the Muslims, is ordered, the Prophet has a far greater right to be obeyed.

Another verse:


Obey God and His Messenger and do not dispute with one another, lest you should be dissolved (dispersed) and your strength fade away; and be steadfast. (al-Anfal, 8.46)

According to this verse, the strength and unity of the Muslims lie in their submission to God and His Messenger. The Sunna is the unique way or example set by God’s Messenger for the Muslims to follow. Also, it is through the Sunnah that a Muslim can live according to the Qur’an. By putting the Qur’an into practice, God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings, established the way which the Muslims must follow. From this viewpoint, the Sunnah is more comprehensive than the Qur’an and, without it, the Muslims cannot design their life according to the Qur’an. So, obedience to God is pos-sible by obeying the Messenger or by following his Sunnah. This is explicitly stated in the following verse:

Say (O Muhammad!): ‘If you love God, follow me so that God loves you.’ (Al ‘Imran, 3.31)

Love of God is impossible for one to acquire without following the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings. No one can claim love of God, nor can he be loved by God, unless he follows the Sunnah, the example of the Prophet, upon him be peace and blessings, as this is the main source of our religious life, promoted and encouraged by the Qur’an.

Allah says, (translation of the meaning)


It is not for any believer, man or woman, when God and His Messenger have decreed a matter, to have the choice in the affair. Whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error. (al-Ahzab, 33.36)

And He says,

".........Nothing have we omitted from the Book......." (6:38)

Indeed, He has not omitted from the Book that the Prophet was given the Book and the Wisdom.(al-Jumu‘a, 62.2)

And,

Al-Imran [3:164]

لَقَدْ مَنَّ اللّهُ عَلَى الْمُؤمِنِينَ إِذْ بَعَثَ فِيهِمْ رَسُولاً مِّنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ يَتْلُو عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتِهِ وَيُزَكِّيهِمْ وَيُعَلِّمُهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَإِن كَانُواْ مِن قَبْلُ لَفِي ضَلالٍ مُّبِينٍ

3:164 Allah did confer a great favour on the believers when He sent among them an apostle from among themselves, rehearsing unto them the Signs of Allah, sanctifying them, and instructing them in Scripture and Wisdom, while, before that, they had been in manifest error.

The Qur’an also declares:

Nay, by your Lord, they will never become believers until they choose you as judge to settle the matters in dispute between them. (al-Nisa’, 4.65)

Edited by: aboosait on Monday, August 22, 2011 4:32 AM

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